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FOX "Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace" - Transcript: Benghazi Investigation


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WALLACE: Senator Lindsey Graham has been known to work with President Obama on some issues. But this week, he laid down a clear marker: give Congress access to the survivors of the attack on the U.S. consulate Benghazi, or he will block all the president's future nominees.

Senator Graham joins us now.

Welcome back to "Fox News Sunday."


WALLACE: You have been trying for more than a year to talk with the Benghazi survivors. How many have you talked to?


A year later, only one survivor in Benghazi has been interviewed by the Congress, and that person was subpoenaed.

Why do I want to talk to them?

I want to know from their mouth, not anybody else, no spokesman, no British contractor, Americans on the ground in Benghazi -- did you see a protest? Did you ever report a protest? Did you complain before the attack that al Qaeda was growing in strength in Libya? Did you make security request that anybody try to help you enhance security?

WALLACE: OK. So, when you and other senators -- because you're not along in this -- asked to talk to the survivors --

GRAHAM: Right.

WALLACE: -- or to read the interviews that the FBI conducted within hours after the attack --

GRAHAM: Exactly, yes.

WALLACE: -- what does the administration say to you?

GRAHAM: They say it's an ongoing criminal investigation, which is stunning. Under that theory, we would not be able to look at 9/11 and to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was prosecuted. He's still not even going to trial. I'm not trying to solve a crime. I'm trying to find out from the mouths of the people who are on the ground, did you ever report to Washington or anyone that there was a protest? Because how could the president, Jay Carney, Susan Rice, and all of them claim this was a process created by video if nobody on the ground who lived through the attack ever said there was a protest?

So two days after the attack did they say there was a protest? If they did not, how did this story of a protest start?

WALLACE: All right. So, now, because you have not gotten satisfaction, you have not gotten the interviews, or to talk to them, you are now threatening no block --


WALLACE: -- every new presidential nominee, which has a member of the Senate you can put a hold on them until you get access to these folks. Is that over the top?

GRAHAM: I don't think it's over the top to find out what happened, four dead Americans. I don't think it's over the top for the Congress to be able to challenge the narrative of any administration when an ambassador is killed.

I don't think it's over the top for us to be able to talk to the survivors. They were talked to the Accountability Review Board. The State Department picked a team to look into what happened in Benghazi. They interviewed these survivors to tell us, as member of Congress, who has to explain to the families, are they being straight and honest with you from the Obama administration, is not too over the top.

I shouldn't have to do this. I shouldn't have to make these kind of threats. They should provide in a responsible way those who lived through Benghazi to be interviewed separate and apart from the Obama administration to find out exactly what happened before, during, and after. And I'm so sad to be -- to say to the families, this is the anniversary of the election. A year later, the Congress really doesn't know anything about what happened to Benghazi from those who lived through it.

WALLACE: All right. But we are talking about someone like Jeh Johnson --

GRAHAM: Yes, sir. Yes.

WALLACE: -- who is the president's nominee to be the new secretary of homeland security, or as you can see, Janet Yellen, the new chair of the Federal Reserve, big jobs.

Question: How long are you prepared to hold up their nominations and everyone else's -- people who are doing and need to do important work for the country?

GRAHAM: The only way this will work is if my Republican colleagues get behind and say to my Democratic friends in the Senate and the administration, we support Lindsey's request to be able to talk to the survivors, independent of the administration, to look at the evidence, to find out exactly what happened in Benghazi, before, during and after.

How did the secretary of defense know about a cable coming out of Benghazi in August from our ambassador to Washington, State Department saying, we can't defend this place against a coordinated al Qaeda attack and al Qaeda flags are flying everywhere -- how can the secretary of defense know that and not the secretary of state?

So, here's the way this will work -- I'm hoping that they will relent and allow us to interview the survivors, appropriate congressional committees --

WALLACE: And if they don't?

GRAHAM: Well, and I will ask my Republican colleagues and Democratic colleagues to stand up to the Obama administration. Don't let them get away with this.

Can you imagine if this was George W. Bush and he told the Congress after 9/11 -- you can't talk to anybody because there's a potential criminal investigation, we're not going to investigate how 9/11 became the failure that it was?

WALLACE: OK, "60 Minutes" ran a story last Sunday in which they talked to the British supervisor of local Libyan security around the consulate before the attack. Here's a clip of that story.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was saying, "These guys are no good, you need to -- you need to get them up here.

REPORTER: You also kept saying, "If this place is attacked, these guys are not going to stand and fight"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I used to say it all the time. You know, in the end, I got quite bored of hearing my own voice saying it.


WALLACE: But the Obama administration is now going after that guy, saying that his report right after the attack to his employer, he was a private security contractor, directly contradicts what he told "60 Minutes".

GRAHAM: Right. I don't want to hear from anymore British people about Benghazi. I want to hear it from Americans who were there.

But back to this contractor -- they claimed that an incident report that he apparently did not sign, that he never went to the compound and never went to the hospital as he claims in this book, to find Ambassador Stevens.

But what they're not telling you, that he was interviewed by the FBI the next day and twice three or four days later. I want those FBI interviews.

Here is what this administration is doing. They're taking part of the file to leak it to try to impeach the critic and they're withholding information. The FBI interviewed this gentleman in Wales and in Doha, and he claimed he told the FBI and the Department of State everything that he told "60 Minutes." So, now, I want to know if he's lying. I want to know that.

But give to me and the Congress the full information he provided to our government. I want the FBI interviews.

WALLACE: We've got a couple minutes left. I want to ask you about another question on another matter.

You plan to introduce a bill this week that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But even some other pro-life advocates have backed off because they worry that it's not constitutional, noting that the Supreme Court protects a woman's right to abortion until a fetus is viable at 24 weeks. You're talking 20 weeks.

GRAHAM: Yes, at 20 weeks, you feel pain. At 20 weeks that they do surgery on a 20-week fetus, they provide anesthesia to the fetus because the fetus can feel pain.

We're trying to make the following arguments to the Supreme Court -- the state, the government, has a legitimate interest to protect the child after 20-week period of development, because they can feel pain. That's what a rational humane society should do, protect the child that can feel pain from an abortion, unless there's a life of the mother, rape or incest involved.

WALLACE: Now, some of your critics in South Carolina say, hey, look, Graham is up for reelection in 2014. He is worried about a Tea Party challenger, and you ticked off a lot of conservatives with votes on immigration reform, to confirm liberal Supreme Court justices --

GRAHAM: Right.

WALLACE: -- this is your way to get back in their good graces.

GRAHAM: I have been pro-life member of Congress since day one. I was the author of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act that we passed several years ago, making it a crime to attack a woman. And if she loses her baby, you can be charged with two crimes not one -- crime against the mother and the unborn child.

My record on being a pro-life senator or member of Congress is clear. I'm proud to lead this charge. This is a debate worthy of a great democracy -- when do you become you at 20 weeks of a pregnancy? What is the proper role of the government in protecting that child?

WALLACE: Senator Graham, thank you. Thanks for coming in today. It's always a pleasure to talk with you, sir.

GRAHAM: My pleasure.

WALLACE: Next up, how serious are the problems with Obamacare? Our Sunday panel assesses where we are one month into the troubled rollout.

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