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MSNBC "The Ed Show" - Transcript - IRS Targeting Controversy


Location: Washington, DC


SCHULTZ: The IRS is going to be the verifying agency of your income. So,
when the state checks on how many people are covered in a certain business,
such as mine, they will make sure that employee A, B, C, and D made so much
money, to make sure that they qualify. That`s the power the IRS is going
to have. And they make it sound like it`s some intrusion into your front
door where the government`s going to be taking over.

Let me tell you something, liberals: we are going to win this fight. And
we are going to learn.

And I`m asking you, as a consumer, to start asking questions and start
paying attention to what really is happening out there with Obamacare.
Last night on this program, we gave you a human example of who`s going to
get helped. Tonight, I`m telling you as a business owner, I`m not going to
be writing the biggest checks I do every month for health insurance,
because they`re going to go down, because some of my employees are going to
be qualifying for federal subsidies. Hey, they pay taxes, too.

What the Republicans fear is that some day we will have universal health
care in this country. What the Republicans fear is that they are not going
to be able to protect their corporate donors, their cronies, the influence
of big insurance with lobbyists in Washington. That is what they are

They give a damn about the Tea Party and who is being infiltrated by the
IRS, but they don`t care about sick people at all. They don`t have a plan
that`s as good as Obamacare. And they know that generationally, the
Democrats are always going to be remembered politically for doing
something, for change. And they`re trying to change that change!

I could go on for hours on this. And I am infuriated that the Republicans,
you know, you got to give them credit. They are organized. Doggone it,
they got a good high-five group behind closed doors. They know how to get
their talking points together and they are going out and connecting the IRS
to this and want you to believe a bunch of lies.

I`ll be here every weekend to debunk everything they say on health care.
Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, will the Republican`s scandal machine backfire? Text A for yes,
text B for no to 67622. You can also go to our blog at

We`ll bring you the results later in the show.

Now, I also want to tell you that I will have a camera crew in Fargo on
June 27th and I will answer the shows the very next day, Saturday, the
28th, at 5:00. And we`ll find out.

I will prove to you that Paul Ryan is a liar. I will prove that Michele
Bachmann is a liar. I will prove to you that the minority leader in the
Senate, Mitch McConnell is a liar -- because that`s exactly what they are.
For more, let`s turn to Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz from
Florida, and also the chair of the DNC.

Congresswoman, good to have you with us tonight.

REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (D), FLORIDA: Great to be with you again,
Ed. Congratulations on your new time slot.

SCHULTZ: Well, thank you. I`m going to show you a picture of a big fish
later in this show, because I`ve got a lot more time to do that. This two-
day-a-week gig ain`t bad.

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Good to have you back.

SCHULTZ: Are the Republicans using the IRS scandal to derail Obama here?
Your thoughts?

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Here`s what the Republicans are doing. What they`re
doing is basically implementing project "shield the facts that they have no
agenda," operation "shield the fact that they have no agenda."

Look, we do need to take a look at the decisions that were made that were
wholly inappropriate at the IRS to treat organizations differently instead
of equally. I mean, that is absolutely essential. That investigation
should be done in a bipartisan way without a partisan agenda.

But, of course, that isn`t in the DNA of this Republican Party or this
Republican leadership. And, in fact, they are being driven by the right --
by these right-wing organizations, in fact, to actually set aside real
legislation that we might have an opportunity to consider and debate, in
place of focusing on investigations so that they can really try to trip up
the Obama administration.

SCHULTZ: Congresswoman, they are talking about the midterms already.

SCHULTZ: They are talking about 2014 and taking over the Senate and w
repealing and putting Obama in a box. What about that?

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Ed, they`re even -- they`re even talking about 2016. I
mean, what they`re trying to do with the Benghazi investigation, which
clearly has had, you know, a thorough review. It was -- the independent
investigation done and authorized by Secretary Clinton, in which all 29
recommendations that came from Admiral Pickering and -- from Ambassador
Pickering and Admiral Mullen are being implemented. That is about 2016 and
the possibility of Hillary Clinton running for president, and nothing more.
What they`re doing is nakedly transparent. What we need to do is focus on
creating jobs and turning the economy around.

You know, for Paul Ryan to say, or for Mitch McConnell to say that the
focus of the 2014 election is going to be Obamacare is really a
demonstrative of how dramatically out of touch the Republicans are --

SCHULTZ: It`s a good thing for Democrats. This is a good thing for
Democrats that they want to make this the focal point.

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: I know, it`s hilarious. It`s a terrible thing for
Americans. And to say -- for the Republicans to be obsessed with denying
Americans the opportunity to not be dropped or denied coverage for pre-
existing conditions or to force kids to lose their health insurance
coverage, and right now they can stay on their parent`s insurance until
they`re 26. As a breast cancer survivor, that`s offensive.

SCHULTZ: All right. Congresswoman --


WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: I have women who (INAUDIBLE) me from all over the
country and tell me thank you and ask that we fully implement Obamacare.

SCHULTZ: We will have you back, Congresswoman. I really appreciate your
time tonight.


SCHULTZ: Thanks so much. Debbie Wasserman Schultz here on THE ED SHOW.

WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: No problem. Thanks, Ed.


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