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MSNBC "The Ed Show" - Transcript


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REP. TIM RYAN (D), OHIO: Great to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Are we seeing a different negotiator evolve here after the
election? Knowing that he really doesn`t have to be beholden to anybody,
because he`s not up for re-election. This is what he ran on, which is what
he talked about today. How energized are you and maybe some other
Democrats in the House when you see that?

RYAN: I was just thrilled today. I mean, I think this is the most presidential he`s ever looked. He was strong, he looked like a leader.

And, you know, you get into these campaigns and they`re very enthusiastic,
but when you get into the process of governing, there needs to be this slow-burning intensity in order to push your things through. And he had that today and I think he showed some real leadership.

And I think it has something to do with the campaign trail, I think it has something to do with the hurricane, where he really got down on the ground with the people -- the people in Ohio, the people in Iowa, the people who were hurt so badly by the hurricane. And he really got reconnected.

And you can see it now. He knows who he`s fighting for and he`s doing
it in a way really only that he can do in that magical Barack Obama way.

SCHULTZ: Congressmen, collectively, do you think the Democrats
believe that the Republicans will do a deal?

RYAN: You know, we`re skeptical. I mean, I`m trying to figure out which Republican could vote for an increase in taxes, even on millionaires, and still not think they`ve got to go back home and get primaried by some Tea Party radical. And that`s really the calculation. That`s the struggle that John Boehner`s having right now.

But it will further define the Republican Party. And if they can`t come to grips with a balanced deal, where you`re asking the wealthiest in the country, who have paid -- who made so much money over the last decade, then that really shows what kind of party they are.

And this is about the values that we hold as Americans, Ed. This is not about numbers. This is about values.

SCHULTZ: Well, you know, when you look at the way this is setting up, this has got a lot of 2014 talk to it already. I mean, these Republicans are going to have to go home and explain, well, I couldn`t go along with the tax cuts for the 98 percent of Americans.
That would put them against the middle class, wouldn`t it?

RYAN: Yes. I mean, imagine on Friday, when they`re all sitting
around the table, and the president says, hey, fellas, you know, you`re
going to be responsible for raising taxes on middle class Americans. And
if you fail to agree to this top 1 percent or top 2 percent tax increase
that we`re asking for, you go out.


RYAN: The microphones are in the driveway on the way out of here.
You go explain to the American people why they`re going to pay more in

SCHULTZ: Now, you just mentioned just a moment ago that you thought
the president was well connected, OK? That he was re-conducted, best he`s
ever been.

President Obama read a letter from a Tennessee voter today, who did
not support him in this election cycle, but had a message for all
politicians in the wake of this election. Here it is.


OBAMA: "My hope," he wrote, "is that we can make progress in light of
personal and party principles, special interest groups, and years of
business as usual. We`ve got to work together and put our differences
aside." I couldn`t say it better myself.


SCHULTZ: I mean, Republicans, are they, in Congress, selling
themselves on cooperation?

RYAN: Well, you know how this goes, Ed. They talk to each other. It`s their own little group and they keep talking to each other and they turn on FOX News and they get that regurgitated and they turn on, you know, the business channels and they get that regurgitated, and they all think they`re right. And they don`t stick their heads out of the window. You got really Tea Party Republicans coming out of southern states who said, there was no mandate for change in this election. Well, yeah, of course not in your congressional district, you got 80 percent in the conservative Republican district. Get your head out of the sand, look at what`s going on in the rest of the world, and realize you don`t always get your way in life.

I don`t know how these guys -- what relationships they have with other
human beings, but there are no relationships I`ve ever been in or anybody
I`ve ever met where there isn`t some compromise. So why would you come to
the United States Congress, representing 300 millions of people, 435
members of Congress, and you think you`re going to get your way 100 percent
of the time? It just doesn`t make any sense.

And that`s why the president has got to be so intense and so firm and
stick to his guns here. And I think he`s going to do it, and let them
collapse. Let them fold.

SCHULTZ: Quickly, Congressman, 50/50 on a deal, 60/40, 70/30, where
is it?

RYAN: I don`t know, Ed.

SCHULTZ: The fact that you can`t call it like that after what we`ve
seen speaks volume. You`ve got your pulse of your colleagues in the
Congress. I mean, we could be headed for more of the same. And that just
tells me that this president has to keep moving forward with the wind at
his back and the people at his back. That`s why labor yesterday was
talking about doing rallies and getting into the backyards of these
righties, and telling them, this is the way it`s got to go for me to save
the Treasury.

RYAN: Absolutely. Trumka`s great, he`s a great leader. And now, we
see the business leaders come online too, to say, hey, come on, guys. Get
with the program here.


RYAN: There`s something bigger than just your own political career at
stake here.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, great to have you with us
tonight. Thank you so much.

RYAN: Always a pleasure. Thanks.


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