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So, with me now, Democratic State Representative Kyrsten Sinema, along with Republican and former Arizona congressman, J.D. Hayworth.

Welcome to both of you.

Congressman Hayworth, I'll start with you. Let's talk about how this story picked up steam and it really did. You have a problem with Secretary of State Clinton leaking this while she was in a foreign country. How it's such a big deal to you?

J.D. HAYWORTH (R), FORMER ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN: Well, Don, understand when you're dealing with domestic policy, it is important that domestic policy be dealt with on American soil. The fact that the secretary of state whose portfolio does not include court cases involving Arizona or the federal government would make this statement is bad enough.

But doubling the score to make this on Ecuadorian television, to make this pronouncement in Ecuador, it betrays a couple of things. On one hand, incredible incompetence on the part of this administration, or worse, deliberate deception -- because, Don, the governor's absolutely right.

What was it, just a few short days ago, Governor Brewer was in Washington meeting in the Oval Office with the president. The president informed the governor that he would be sending, I guess, a task force to Arizona, that there would be continuing dialogue.

LEMON: I want to --

HAYWORTH: What you see here, Don, is a lot less public policy productivity and a whole lot more politics.

LEMON: I want to let the Representative Sinema get in on this. What about the legal strategy here? The Justice Department has indicated it will claim Arizona should not be getting involved with immigration laws, which is a federal government's job. Do you expect that argument to fly there? STATE REP. KYRSTEN SINEMA (D), ARIZONA: Well, that's probably the strongest argument that exists against S.B. 1070. It's the supremacy clause in the United States Constitution and it clearly says that whatever the federal government has authority over, the states are adjoined from engaging in that activity. And the federal government does have a long history of setting and enforcing immigration policy in our country.

And, you know, Don, on another note, I think it's important to realize that the Department of Justice actually came to Arizona just a few short weeks ago to meet with both Attorney General Goddard and Governor Brewer to discuss a potential lawsuit. So, this is no surprise to Arizona.

LEMON: So, listen, to your first point when you answer this question -- the federal -- what if the federal government can't or won't secure the border? What is Arizona supposed to do here then?

SINEMA: You know, that's a very real question and it's, in fact, a crisis in Arizona. Congress has completely abdicated its responsibility to enact tough immigration reform, and that leaves states like Arizona left to fend for themselves. Unfortunately, S.B. 1070 doesn't do anything to solve the crime of violence along our borders and in our neighborhoods. And so, it's not a real solution to this very real problem.

That doesn't mean, though, that Congress shouldn't take action to secure the border and enact tough immigration laws.

LEMON: Go ahead, Congressman Hayworth.

HAYWORTH: Yes. Don, I was going to point out, five years ago, I introduced the "Enforcement First Act," to try to get the government to get its act together and enforce existing immigration law. But when the federal government refuses to act, states are well within constitutional bounds to move forward to enforce the law.

And all S.B. 1070 does, by and large, is to mirror the "Enforcement First Act" that I wrote five years ago, basically ensuring that Arizona law enforcement will enforce immigration law and put an end to the de facto sanctuary cities and the sanctuary situations we have.


HAYWORTH: And one other thing, Don, it's very important to point out because all these arguments about encroaching on individual rights, listen to what the act itself says.


LEMON: So, Congressman Hayworth, we understand that. We heard the act before and we don't have time unfortunately.


HAYWORTH: So many people haven't read it, I thought it might be important to talk about it.

LEMON: Let me get to -- let me get to this question. They can look it up online or they can go to and they can actually read the act. But a lot of people from left and the right say Arizona's law could lead to racial profiling.

Is that a legitimate concern and shouldn't the federal government step in to ensure that that doesn't happen?

HAYWORTH: Well, Don, you know, you precluded me from reading the exact clause that will preclude racial profiling. What you're asking us to accept is the notion that law enforcement professionals who will receive special training in this, who also have to abide by the act, which again precludes any type of profiling and respects civil rights, you're expecting -- or the premise from the left is that law enforcement will run amuck and run renegade. I categorically reject that concept.

I believe you will see all about enforcement and virtually nothing about ethnicity, and I'm sorry I couldn't read it. But I do hope people would look it up. And certainly, they'd be a step ahead of the attorney general and the secretary of homeland security who did not read the act.

LEMON: And they can absolutely look it up.

Thank to both of you. We appreciate your time. Have a great weekend.

SINEMA: Thanks so much.

HAYWORTH: Thank you, Don.

LEMON: All right.

Just ahead here on CNN: before you and your mate hit the sheets tonight, you have to see this next story first. We all know the little blue pill, what it did. It did wonders for men in the bedroom. And tonight, there's news about a little pink one for women.

We'll have that story -- coming up.


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