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Fox News Channel "The Glenn Beck Program" - Transcript


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MR. BECK: We have Rick Perry with us. He is the governor of Texas and commonsense thinking with us.

Governor, you're regretting being on this program at this point, are you not, sir? (Laughs.)

GOV. PERRY: Not at all, Glenn Beck. Proud to be with you.

MR. BECK: I mean, am I overstating? You're in a part of the country, in Texas. The people in Texas, they understand what a republic is.

GOV. PERRY: Yeah, we do.

MR. BECK: Yes, they do. And do you feel what I'm feeling that people -- look, I don't mind if the other side won and you want to try some other things. But the republic is slipping through our fingers. We are losing the essence of what America is and always has been.

GOV. PERRY: Glenn, I'm not sure it's just slipping through our fingers. I think it is rushing like a 1,000-gallons-a-second torrent through our hands. When you think about the amount of money that they're throwing at the wall to see if something will stick, it is shocking in its size, but it's really frustrating for those of us who have made a lot of hard decisions in the last five or six years to create an economy here in Texas that's leading the nation in job creation. More Fortune 500 companies call Texas home than any other state. We're the number one exporting state. And that is a torrent that we're swimming against right now. And we're going to do everything in Texas to keep us on that track. But the fact of the matter is, unless some sanity comes to Washington, D.C. and they quit spending money like there's no tomorrow and realize that you have to cut the spending, get some sense back into the economic side of this thing and then get out of the way and let the private sector do what the private sector does best.

MR. BECK: But Governor, I'm looking at this now. I mean, people are so crazy with the spending that is going on. And now he comes out, I mean, at the worst possible time. Seventy percent of America is against any kind of illegal immigration reform that doesn't at least have some border security involved. We're sitting here, looking at a situation to where they're not turning off the taps, they're not turning off the water. We're standing on the first floor, and our bathroom is overflowing, and they're talking about, how should we rearrange the furniture? Stop with the furniture! Go upstairs and turn the water off first. Now he's going into one of the most divisive issues he could possibly go into. I want to ask you in a second what it means to your state. I mean, you're going to have a flood of people coming over your borders with this. Why would you do this, Governor?

GOV. PERRY: I have no idea. You have to secure the border. We have told Washington for years now that if you do secure the border -- and you secure the border by putting boots on the ground, by spending the dollars, by giving the local law enforcement the additional support that they need, putting the National Guard, putting people who understand law enforcement along that border and secure it. We've spent 110 million Texas tax dollars on doing that border security because the federal government has been such an abject failure at it over the course of the last two years. I showed Secretary Chertoff our border security plan. It works, but we have yet to have that Congress understand that you have to have boots on the ground. You don't secure the border, you can't have an immigration policy that works. Nobody can.

MR. BECK: You tell me, Governor. You have Mexico -- I mean, I was just reading something. I think it was in Time magazine. I open up the new Time magazine, and there it is, a full-page story just ripping me apart and saying how crazy I am. And they're saying, oh, yeah, well, he thinks crazy things like Mexico is going to collapse. That wasn't me. That was the U.S. military. Their assessment of all of the globe, they said two states are likely or have a good chance of collapsing, one was Pakistan, number two was Mexico. We already have been talking about what happens if Mexico collapses. It is going to be a rush to the border, for humanitarian reasons. You say everybody who comes in is going to be a U.S. citizen. With the pressure that they have in Mexico no, good God Almighty, what is going to happen to our border?

GOV. PERRY: Well, that is nonsense, and I think Americans understand that this whole concept of amnesty is just nonsensical. You've got to secure the border, then you can have a thoughtful debate about an immigration policy but not until that border is secure. And you're absolutely correct. America needs to be working with Mexico to help secure that border, to stop these drug cartels, to stop these criminals along our border. At that particular point in time, you will have a country that's stabilized along that border. If we don't, then it is not out of the realm of possibility to see the type of discombobulation and the type of collapse that some people say could happen along that border. And let me tell you, they're not going to displace south, they're going to displace north.


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