Face the Nation: Rep. Mike Turner
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"Good morning, Margaret."
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" Well, I met with him and members of the National Security Council with my -- the counterpart, Jim Himes, at the end of last week. And they're talking in terms of a quad (ph), really of a need of a national security package. And that is certainly the border, additional funds there for border control, the border barrier, the wall that the administration has now said needs to go forward in areas, Ukraine. Obviously, now that we're dealing with this -- this crisis with Israel, bolstering our support for them, and then also looking in the southeast as to what we might be able to do to support Taiwan.
As they're putting those together so that we don't piecemeal this and we look at this as an overall national security package, it will give us a better understanding of ability to have a debate as to what's needed from the United States."
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"You know, at this point, Margaret, we're having a hard time keeping the House floor open. I don't want to have to keep trying to bring people in and convince them to vote for minor pieces of overall security bills that we know are going to have to come to the House floor over the next -- this year and next."
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"No. And this really is the tragedy. As you know - you know, Kevin McCarthy was fired because he had sought a bipartisan solution to keep the government open. And those who wanted to close down the government instead closed down the House of Representatives with the aids of - of Democrats. You know, this was a - this was a very bad deal for America and certainly was a bad deal for Hakeem Jeffries as he got all the Democrats to vote with less than, you know -- the vote was less than 4 percent of Republican votes. To take down a speaker who is working for bipartisanship. It's going to be hard for them in the future if -- when they want to work in bipartisanship, when they fired the guy that was sitting there for doing so."
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"Right. And he's working to do so. Kevin, when he first came out of conference, when you're nominated to be speaker, also did not have enough votes to be elected speaker. Well, actually, he didn't have enough votes when he first got to the House floor. And then the - the coalition formed that elected him. Jordan's working right now to put that coalition together to get to 217."
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"Of course, Margaret, the allegations at Ohio State, there's not one person who's ever said that they have knowledge of Jim Jordan having any knowledge. And what occurred at Ohio State wasn't even under Jim Jordan. He was not the head coach. This was not something that he had responsibility for. So, those that are making accusations are making, you know, just presumptions of, well, he would have had to have known. But it - there's no one - and, mind you, this was years ago, no one who has come forward at all ever, and ever said that there was actual knowledge on Jim Jordan's part. Of course, he condemns what occurred there."
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"Well, you know, I - I've -- that would not be my preference since Hakeem Jeffries walked away from the opportunity to do that when - when Kevin McCarthy was on the floor.
You know, the vote on the floor was, should the speaker, Kevin McCarthy, be removed? And every Democrat, 208 of them, voted to remove Kevin McCarthy. So, at this point, I would prefer there to be, you know, a Republican solution because when - when they rejected bipartisanship, it's kind of hard to then go back to it.
But we have a lot of people on the bench. I think Jim Jordan will be an excellent speaker. I think he'll be able to get to 217. If not, we have other leaders in the House. And certainly if there is a need, if the radical, you know, almost just handful of people in the Republican side make it unable -- make it -- us unable to be able to return to general work on the House, then I think, obviously, their -- a deal will have to be done."
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"Well, when you look at the documents, both the classification level and the subject matter, both sides, Trump and Biden's documents, if they had been released in the public, or gotten into the hands of nefarious parties, would it be damaging to the United States national security.
When I look at those documents, there are documents on both sides, equally egregious, that would have negative consequences to our means, methods, techniques and our allies. Now, in this instance, I think President Biden needs the same consequence that - that - that they pursue with President Trump, that the actions are the same. And in this instance, if you notice, you're getting leak -"
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"You're getting leak after leak after leak on the Trump documents. You're hearing nothing on the Biden documents. So, you're continuing to see the inequality that comes out of the Justice Department as there is silence on the other side with respect to Biden's - and, by the way, he was a - he was a serial classified document hoarder. I reviewed documents that were from -"
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"All the time that he's been in government. This really is a very serious breach by President Biden."
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"That's - that's - that's public already, Margaret. That is - so, I'm not confirming something that - that people don't already know. That is correct."
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"I think they need to be treated exactly the same. Now, they're continuing their investigation with - with President Biden. I don't think if President Biden, in the end, has been found to violate the law and I believe, from what I've seen, that he has, that he should be treated any differently than Donald Trump. Why would he? Just because he's president or because he's a Democrat? And that's how the Department of Justice has been acting. They need to be treated the same."
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"I have seen evidence of the fact that classified documents of some of the highest levels have been mishandled by President Biden, yes."
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