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SCHULTZ: .up the fight sir. Let me bring in Senator Sherrod Brown from Ohio. Senator good to have with us tonight. This is been front and center your issue. American jobs, the focus on all of these. How can anyone make the case Senator that the TPP is good for American jobs?
SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D) OHIO: I particular amaze for what I hear, somebody like speaker Boehner in my state, from my state talk about job growth when he connects it to a trade agreements. So he`s been in the Congress a long time. He remembers NAFTA, he voted for NAFTA, he remembers what happen with lost jobs from NAFTA and undermining environmental and worker safety standards and consumer protections and food safety.
He should travel in the other end of the state where you were Ed in Lorain, Ohio and look at what job -- we`re looking to job loss because of NAFTA, MTR with China, CAFTA. And you look at his own back yard, because you seen what`s happened in the middle town in Hamilton and Cincinnati and Dayton because of these trade agreements. And, you know, these country -- most countries practice trade according to the national interest.
Our country practices trade because the elite in Washington make it that way according to some 20 year out of date textbook. And that`s got to change, that`s why when Larry Cohen right side is right, we need a real 21st century kind of globalization, not the kind we seen in the last 20 years.
SCHULTZ: Senator, do you think that the White House is in rough shape on this issue at this hour?
BROWN: I think the White House is mixed minds on this. I know that every President has to thinks they have to fight for free trade agreements. I was hopeful that President Obama had learned from his predecessors that it doesn`t work out well for the country. I give him credit for being more aggressive on trade enforcement in some of his predecessors. But he is wrong on this one and I`m still hopeful that we get a different kind of trade agreement, a different kind of fast track and a different kind of trade for him and different kind of Trans Pacific Partnership out of the committee, the finance committee.
I`ve worked with Chairman Wyden. He`s more open to this than his predecessors in doing a different kind of trade. We know what we need to do in this trade agreement and these trade agreements plural, to bring up better kind of globalization for workers, for food safety, for public health and for wages as Larry Cohen said.
So we know how to do it, it`s a question of Congress coming together and do it and standing up to the interest groups that you mention earlier Ed.
SCHULTZ: And the level of protectionism has to be in equality. I mean if someone wants a good that`s produced somewhere else nobody is against them having access to it. Its how it`s put together and who`s doing the work that has to be equal. And it just seems to me that Wall Street doesn`t even let that enter into the equation, your thoughts on that.
BROWN: And we`re going to see us -- we`re going to see our country losses it`s innovation Ed, you know. We`re the most innovative country in the world, the best universities, the best Government funded and privately funded research but when we innovate and come up with a new product then we follow this business plan it`s become too common. You shut down a plant in Steubenville or Toledo or Jacks in Ohio and you move it to.
SCHULTZ: Yeah
BROWN: .move on China. Then the innovation has.
SCHULTZ: It will stop.
BROWN: .then we lose the innovative action, innovation action. That`s what we`re doing in far too many cases. In this whole idea, you shutdown production here, you move it 5,000 or 8,000 miles away and then you sell back in to this country as a bankrupt policy, it hurts the workers, it helps the small -- hurts the small businesses in the community, it hurts the community overall and it`s bad for our country, it`s bad economics.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. Senator, good to have with us tonight, you`re one of the great ones, you get it.
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