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SCHULTZ: I want to bring in Congressman Raul Grijalva of Arizona, who is questioning the entire credibility of the State Department report that came out. Congressman, your reaction to TransCanada CEO saying the pipeline "is going to be built."
REP. RAUL GRIJALVA, (D) ARIZONA: Well, I think you described it well, Ed. That arrogance, also a tone of desperation, if I may say, that to try to reassure his investors, not the American people, his investors, his stock holders that this is going to be built regardless of what opinion in this country is, regardless of what science tells us, and that`s the crutch (ph) of our challenge to the State Department. The perceived conflict of interests between the consulting company that did the report and providing
the findings for the State Department, we`ve asked the Government Accountability Office to look into that, to look into the process State Department used. Because we can`t go back to an era where Cheney and Bush would decide in secret meetings what the energy policy for America needs to be.
SCHULTZ: Yeah.
GRIJALVA: If we`re going to base that in science, let`s make sure the science is clean and certainly the organization being paid by the -- our tax dollars also is clean and free of conflict of interests. And in this case, this company did work for TransCanada in the past.
SCHULTZ: OK. And Congressman, what would be a good study for you to point to? And I`ve seen a number of them. What would be a good study that you would rely your integrity on?
GRIJALVA: I could go to American people would play some great deal of integrity in a transparent process, in a process in which all the points are vetted, and where there is no appearance and no direct conflict of interest. I think you go to the Academy of Science, you go to those kinds of reputable organizations to get the kind of independent, unbiased, look at the reality of what this project means, to do to lessen that and to have a cozy business relationship with the company and the consultant and his advisee.
The State Department, I think, is something the American people will have no -- are not going to have any credibility, and you know, and this pipeline is not going to deal with the occupation of Russia and then Ukraine. This is not going to give us energy independence. This is all about exporting that Canadian product out of in the Gulf, out to the rest of the world.
And whatever that CEO said, that is a climate change bomb on a missiles bomb that if those -- in those oil shades that is proportionally marks larger than any other extraction going on at this point.
SCHULTZ: You mentioned desperation. The conservative narrative right now is very desperate when they`re tied into Russia and our -- in our energy-independent security. They just don`t understand the consumption of it all. Congressman Raul Grijalva, good to have with us tonight. I appreciate your time.
GRIJALVA: Thank you very much.
SCHULTZ: Thank you Sir.
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