NEIL CAVUTO, ANCHOR: Well, ahead of the Arizona governor at the White House tomorrow, a grandmother at a loss right now.
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TOMMIE SHAW, GRANDSON KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIEN: You don't know what it feels like when you see your grandson laying on the ground full of blood, and your son cannot be controlled. And I didn't even try to control him, because he expressed just how we all feel.
So, don't tell me you understand. And I -- I just pray that you have the sense enough that no other family would have to go through something like this.
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CAVUTO: Her grandson killed by an illegal in a county that just voted to boycott Arizona because of its crackdown on illegals.
Welcome, everybody. I'm Neil Cavuto.
And it's the most talked about face-to-face at the White House since the brewski summit at the White House. In less than 24 hours, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer and President Barack Obama sit down over the crackdown. They will debate it.
Now to the guy who helped write, Arizona Republican State Representative John Kavanagh joining us now.
Representative, good to have you back. What do you make of -- of this powwow tomorrow? What do you want to hear out of the governor?
JOHN KAVANAGH R-ARIZ. STATE REPRESENTATIVE: Well, I think the governor is going to stick to her guns and demand National Guard troops on the Arizona border, and not 1,200 boots on a desk, maybe 6,000 boots on the ground at the border to actually stop people from crossing.
CAVUTO: What if she doesn't get that, and then resorts to plan B, which is, well, at least can you stop fighting me at the federal level on this state law?
KAVANAGH: Well, I don't think the Obama administration can back away. Even though they're now running scared, because it's obvious that this law has massive approval nationwide, the Obama administration is committed to its base, which wants to give amnesty to these people.
So, Obama is stuck, but not as stuck as Arizona is. We still have a wave of these illegals coming in, causing crime, causing increased government spending. And no matter what happens in Washington, we're going to enforce our law.
CAVUTO: But there are signs that she can bring with her -- that is, the governor when she meets with the president tomorrow -- that you`re making progress, right?
I mean, since this measure was first debated, even before you started dotting the I's and crossing the T's, but knowing it was coming down the pike, you're looking at better than 100,000 illegals who have left the state. That's pretty staggering.
KAVANAGH: Yes. This law, as our employer sanctions law did two years ago, has a great deterrent effect. We measure it indirectly, because you don't know how many illegals there are, that have phony I.D. or they work off the books.
But we see decreases in enrollment in schools with large populations of illegals, retail stores closing in neighborhoods where they are, and even Mexico is ramping up its repatriation program. So the law is having its effect. And we're glad about that.
CAVUTO: But it's also having another effect that is probably not too welcome by you or the governor or anyone in Arizona in these boycotts. How serious are they, and just how much are they spreading? Can you handle it right now? What?
KAVANAGH: Well, I think the fact that the American people overwhelmingly support this bill will counteract some of the boycott.
I think you will see more tourists coming here, because Arizona is going to be safer with less illegals committing crimes. But we're not about to let elites that don't represent their own population, be they playing politicians to a base, or media celebrities who have their own out- of-touch ideologies, tell Arizona what it's going to do.
We're going to protect ourselves. And we will save far more money in anti-crime costs and less government costs to service these illegals and their families than we will lose in tourism.
CAVUTO: You know, I always wonder, John, what will come of the meeting tomorrow with the president, if both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions. I think you're right to say that the president is kind of locked into his own, and the governor pretty much very strongly forceful on her own point of view here.
But the president has indicated through his attorney general that he's not too copacetic with the idea of having immigration and custom officials, ICE, necessarily even taking illegal immigrants that might be handed over to it from -- from Arizona officials.
How do you feel about that? And how is that going to go down, if -- if there's no leeway on that?
KAVANAGH: He might have done that last week, when he thought he had the upper hand. But the president stood his ground. He looked us in the eye. We looked him back. And he blinked. He's calling for the meeting. He's now looking for a way out.
And while I don't expect 6,000...
CAVUTO: Yes, I meant to ask you, who called for this meeting? The governor did originally to try to get a sense of federal help on this.
Then she was ignored. And I don't know what came next, John, but then -- then, lo and behold, this meeting came about. Who ultimately needs this meeting more?
KAVANAGH: The president.
President Obama now realizes he's on the wrong side of this issue. He can't back away too far, but he has to save some face. I see him coming down with, you know, maybe -- maybe 2,000, 3,000 National Guard troops, maybe a promise to do a little bit more wall construction.
He's got to give us something, because he's going to lose the entire nation on this issue if he doesn't get on board with the people.
CAVUTO: We will watch it very closely.
Representative John Kavanagh, thank you very much. Good seeing you again.
KAVANAGH: Thank you.