Fox News Channel "Your World" - Transcript
Fox News Channel "Your World" Interview With Governor Mark Sanford (R-SC); Governor Rick Perry (R-TX)
Interviewer: Neil Cavuto
Subject: Fielding Questions From Concerned Taxpayers; GOP Momentum for Reform
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MR. CAVUTO: Well, now to the fight against big-government spending. It is dubbed Tea Party 2.0. In just about four hours, two Republican governors will be holding what they call a tele-town hall meeting, 30,000 people ticked off over higher taxes and government spending. They're expected to take part. With us now, the two guys taking those questions, Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina, Governor Rick Perry of Texas.
Governors, a lot of folks tell me I'm looking at two future presidential candidates. So Governor Sanford, are you one of those guys?
GOV. SANFORD: No, I'm a guy that's joining a lot of other folks for tea party events and sentiments across this country, who are genuinely ticked off about the direction of this country. And that's what Jeri (Thompson) was just getting at just a moment ago. And Rick joins me in Texas, and Sarah Palin out in Alaska. There are a lot of us genuinely concerned. And the question is, how do you honor the taxpayer sentiment that expressed itself across this country April 15th one month later and, ultimately, I think, that's what tonight is all about, at least beginning, and one effort toward that end.
MR. CAVUTO: Governor Perry, many who are very die-hard passionate about these tea parties said they were a political, and here you are, two prominent Republicans within your party, and many argue, I know you would argue for the moment otherwise, maybe presidential candidates within your party, who are trying to (co-op ?) this tea party thing. What do you make of that, Governor Perry?
GOV. PERRY: I'm excited that there are Democrats and Libertarians and folks that don't want to be associated with any political party standing out on the court house steps and all across the country saying, hey, Washington, what are you doing? You're mortgaging our kid's future. I'm just proud to be standing with them and using a rather large bully pulpit of the governorship of the state of Texas to say, you know what? The 10th Amendment is important to the people of the state of Texas. Washington, read the Constitution, pay attention to the 10th Amendment, live up to it.
MR. CAVUTO: All right, Governor Sanford, let me ask you about this whole issue about whether you take money that is coming in the stimulus package for your state. You've made a big distinction between taking all of it and certainly that allocated to stuff you can't really refuse. Governor Palin in Alaska in the same kind of pickle as you are. Should governors of any stripe be defined by how much money they refuse?
GOV. SANFORD: No. Again, federalism is based on the concept of different things for different states. And each of us in looking at the details of what works or doesn't work in our state ought to make our stand accordingly. And when we looked at our numbers in South Carolina, we happen to rank fourth in the United States of America in what we allocate to paying down debt, and that's interest payments that go to New York or Zurich as opposed to a teacher in South Carolina or a health care concern in South Carolina. So we said this doesn't make sense. We ought to reserve some of it, in this case it's $700 million, it represents about 10 percent of the total, and allocate it to paying down debt. We think that's a commonsense decision. And again, different governors are going to have different takes on what makes sense based on the particulars of their state.
MR. CAVUTO: Governor Perry, did you mean it recently when you -- I don't know how much of this was credited to you, sir -- that Texas might consider seceding from the country?
GOV. PERRY: Well, it shouldn't any of it be given credit to me for it because I didn't say that. What I said was we live in a great country. Texas is a very unique state inside of that country. And I saw no reason at all for us to be even talking about seceding. But if Washington continues to force these programs on the states, if Washington continues to disregard the 10th Amendment, who knows what happens? There may be people standing up all across the country in tea parties saying, enough, all right.
MR. CAVUTO: All right. So are you saying then, Governor Perry, that if that is the case and Washington continues on this track that you apparently do not like that you would consider that option?
GOV. PERRY: Here's what I'm saying. I think Americans are paying attention to what's going on in Washington, D.C. right now. They are frustrated. In some cases, they fear for the future of their children. And they're really upset that Washington is not paying attention to them. I love the concept of the tea parties and people using that First Amendment right. And I hope that Washington starts paying attention to the 10th Amendment and allows states to get back to being the laboratory of innovation and competition. That's what will carry America forward out of this recession, not more government spending out of Washington, D.C. and them telling us how to run our states.
MR. CAVUTO: Governor Sanford, Dick Cheney was with me this week, and a lot of your fellow Republicans have said, you know, we love Dick Cheney, but he should just go fade into the night. How do you feel?
GOV. SANFORD: I disagree with that. You know, whether you like him or whether you dislike him, you know where he stands, and I think that we need more of that in the world of politics. And so I would applaud the fact that he is out there saying, hey, this is what I believe and, in some cases, being rather clairvoyant in terms of some of the things that indeed are coming our way. You made the point that 48 hours ago he was saying, you can't get to where they're proposing with regard to health care change without increasing taxes. Within 48 hours, the speaker of the House comes out saying, all things are on the table. So I think it is valid for somebody with his level of experience to speak their mind.
I think more important is that people at a grassroots level really go about the business of speaking their mind, which is what Rick and I are trying to say. You know, we're not saying that the Republican Governors Association or the two of us as Republican governors are the only way forward. What we're saying is, hey, we're working on some things. And I think that within every one of our respective spheres of influence, we ought to look for ways of plugging into what the original tea parties were about April 15th, and that goes to the heart of, you know, tea party patriots and teaparty.com. You know, you look and there's a lot of energy out there, 800 organizations sort of spontaneously sprung up across this country. And we ought to all, in our respective neighborhoods and states, look for ways of honoring that sentiment.
MR. CAVUTO: Governor Sanford, Governor Perry, thank you both very, very much.