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SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:38)
July 1, 2004 Thursday
HEADLINE: Interview with Al Sharpton
GUESTS: Al Sharpton
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly
O'REILLY: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Bill O'Reilly. In a personal story segment tonight, the conservative magazine "The American Spectator" reports that an adviser to Al Sharpton said the reverend doesn't believe there's a place for Jesse Jackson on the, quote, "Kerry team," unquote. Wow. Also, apparently, Mr. Sharpton was not invited to the Rainbow/PUSH annual conference this year.
And with us now is our pal, Al Sharpton.
OK, we've got lots to talk to you about, and this is a no-spin zone now. You're not going to fudge me here. You're going to tell me the truth. Why weren't you invited to Rainbow/PUSH?
REVEREND AL SHARPTON, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK: Well, I don't know. I was in Los Angeles dealing with the police issue. I met with Bill Bratton...
O'REILLY: That we just talked about.
SHARPTON: Yes. I had a meeting with him on Monday, was out there most of the week. I think that the continuing problem of police brutality is something I've worked the last 20-something years on, and that's where I was.
As far as some unnamed adviser, if "The American Spectator" had called me, the fact of the matter is I've encouraged Senator Kerry to go to every convention. I think it's important he do Rainbow/PUSH, NAACP, everybody.
O'REILLY: Yes, but you weren't there. You weren't invited to that convention.
SHARPTON: Well, I mean, again...
O'REILLY: Your guys just told us on the phone you weren't invited to it.
SHARPTON: Well, I-again, I was in Los Angeles ..
O'REILLY: All right, I know where you were. But you weren't invited to the Rainbow/PUSH coalition. That's true. Why not?
SHARPTON: First of all, Bill, I've gone every year...
O'REILLY: But you weren't invited this year.
SHARPTON: If I had-I don't know that I was not...
O'REILLY: You weren't invited. I'm telling you...
SHARPTON: ... and if I had been invited, I would have gone to Los Angeles. But the issue is not...
O'REILLY: OK, let me talk real slowly...
SHARPTON: First of all, I'm not...
O'REILLY: You weren't invited. Do you have any idea why?
SHARPTON: Let me respond, slowly. It was important. Senator Kerry, who's running-I am not running now...
O'REILLY: Yes, right.
SHARPTON: ... go. We need everybody under the tent in order to win. I'm glad he went.
O'REILLY: OK, but everybody was invited but you. You weren't invited.
SHARPTON: Senator Kerry, I think it was important he went.
O'REILLY: Yes, but we wanted you in the tent, but you weren't there.
SHARPTON: Well, I'm in the tent...
O'REILLY: No tent for Al.
SHARPTON: I'm in the tent.
O'REILLY: Not the Rainbow tent, you're not in. You're booted out of there.
SHARPTON: Well, if you want to make this a Jesse/Al thing, that's you. My thing is, is Kerry/Bush, and I'm supporting Kerry. And I think Reverend Jackson is...
O'REILLY: Your guy is quoted as saying, "There's no place for Jackson on the Kerry team ..."
SHARPTON: What guy? An unnamed guy.
O'REILLY: Otis (ph).
SHARPTON: Otis (ph) who? I don't have an Otis (ph).
O'REILLY: I don't know. I don't know.
SHARPTON: On the Kerry plane, there is no aide of mine...
SHARPTON: ... that was privy to my conversation with Senator Kerry. And I can tell you...
O'REILLY: Is there a place on the Kerry team for Jesse Jackson?
SHARPTON: I think that Jesse Jackson and everyone else that has ever ran can galvanize their base voters...
O'REILLY: So, this is bogus? You and Jesse are pals.
O'REILLY: You're friends.
SHARPTON: I admire and respect Reverend Jackson.
O'REILLY: OK, you go camping together?
SHARPTON: No, I don't go camping with anyone.
O'REILLY: With anyone. OK.
All right, now, the Rainbow people were trying to shake Kerry down. Did you see that?
SHARPTON: Shake him down?
O'REILLY: Yes, they were trying to get promises from him, exact promises.
SHARPTON: That's called shakedown now?
O'REILLY: Yes, you know, we'll support you...
O'REILLY: ... if you give us this. What do you call it? What do you call it?
SHARPTON: Well, I think that's called American politics. All of...
O'REILLY: OK, all right.
SHARPTON: ... us have said that we want to see certain things done...
O'REILLY: You're right. Let me rephrase that. Instead of saying shakedown, the Rainbow/PUSH people were trying to practice American politics on John Kerry by letting him promise them stuff in return for support.
Now, here's a very direct question to you. What should Kerry promise? What do you want?
SHARPTON: He should promise-I think he should promise that he will fight for the urban agenda. When I first met with him...
O'REILLY: What's an urban agenda?
SHARPTON: Job creation...
O'REILLY: Create jobs in the inner city.
SHARPTON: ... which he has responded to with a program to create 10 million jobs.
O'REILLY: Ten million, that's a lot.
O'REILLY: You think he can do that?
SHARPTON: He has laid out a program that I believe is credible...
SHARPTON: ... particularly when we had...
O'REILLY: What kind of jobs?
SHARPTON: ... when we had 23 million jobs created under Clinton. We lost three million under Bush.
SHARPTON: Bush is now trying to brag about jobs that he has brought back...
O'REILLY: What kind of jobs, though, is he going to create?
SHARPTON: Well, that's the problem. We have the jobs that Bush is bringing back don't pay for anything.
O'REILLY: No, but we know you don't like Bush.
SHARPTON: These are manufacturing jobs...
O'REILLY: What about Kerry? What kind of jobs is he going to do?
SHARPTON: These are manufacturing jobs.
SHARPTON: Right, correct.
SHARPTON: These are jobs that will have families sustain themselves.
O'REILLY: All right...
SHARPTON: They're not the jobs that Mr. Bush has brought back.
O'REILLY: If Kerry can wave a magic wand and get 10 million jobs...
SHARPTON: Secondly, it's support to education. I think one of the things that he's been addressing aggressively...
O'REILLY: You want more money for education?
SHARPTON: More money for education, more aid for college...
O'REILLY: What does that mean, more aid for college? More scholarship money from the...
SHARPTON: Scholarships, tax incentives, and all kinds of ways to underwrite people's ability to go to...
O'REILLY: Just black people, or everybody?
SHARPTON: Everybody. But it affects black people at the bottom of the economic ladder, because we're disproportionately...
O'REILLY: But everybody could get in here...
O'REILLY: ... based on economics, not skin color.
O'REILLY: All right, I'm for that.
SHARPTON: So, that means you're going to vote for Kerry?
O'REILLY: I might.
SHARPTON: Are you getting kicked out of the Bush tent?
O'REILLY: I'm not in the tent. You better than anybody...
SHARPTON: No-spin zone.
O'REILLY: You no better than anybody...
SHARPTON: No-spin zone, Bill.
O'REILLY: You're going to tell me you think I'm in somebody's tent?
O'REILLY: You know I'm not. Everybody hates me.
SHARPTON: No, but you accused me of being in a tent.
O'REILLY: I did not. I said they threw you out of that tent.
SHARPTON: And I'm saying they're going to throw you out of the Bush tent. I got you to...
O'REILLY: I'm not in the...
SHARPTON: So, where are you? You're in...
O'REILLY: I'm ready to be persuaded by either guy.
SHARPTON: All right. So, we're going to create 10 million jobs.
SHARPTON: I'm supporting John Kerry.
O'REILLY: All right, so you're...
SHARPTON: We're going to help with college.
O'REILLY: Help with college.
SHARPTON: ... I was out campaigning with him...
O'REILLY: All right.
SHARPTON: ... to continue.
O'REILLY: Jobs, college...
SHARPTON: So, I'm bringing you into the tent of those that want to bring America back to what America was, the land of opportunity.
O'REILLY: You know, but the price of admission to that tent for me is going to be major. You know what I'm talking about? Because you're going to tax me until my eyeballs roll.
SHARPTON: No, no.
O'REILLY: I don't know if I want to go in that tent. That's going to be an expensive tent for me.
SHARPTON: The tax for you is going to be major. Are you trying to shake down the Kerry camp?
O'REILLY: No, I'm not. I'm just telling you. The admission to your tent...
SHARPTON: It sounds like a shakedown to me.
O'REILLY: The admission to your tent is huge, for me.
O'REILLY: But I may go. I'll have to see.
SHARPTON: The admission to the tent is to be a true patriot, to be what America is there for everybody...
O'REILLY: It is there for everybody.
SHARPTON: ... not just for those that are very wealthy.
O'REILLY: If I can make it, everybody can make it.
SHARPTON: You ought to be supporting John Kerry.
O'REILLY: Nobody ever created a job for me, ever.
SHARPTON: No, they created opportunities.
O'REILLY: Now, your TV career-your TV career.
O'REILLY: OK, you're going on CNBC, is that right?
O'REILLY: And Spike TV.
O'REILLY: Isn't that where they show porn movies, Spike TV?
SHARPTON: I don't know, but I've converted worse.
O'REILLY: So, Spike TV, you're going to do a show called "I Hate My Job."
SHARPTON: Yes, the object of the reality show is...
O'REILLY: Oh, it's reality.
SHARPTON: ... the people that don't like what they do...
SHARPTON: ... are going to find their real purpose in life, and I'm going to try to help them.
O'REILLY: There's only one problem with that.
O'REILLY: You've never had a job.
SHARPTON: Oh, I've always had a job.
SHARPTON: Well, if I didn't have a job, what about...
O'REILLY: What's your job?
SHARPTON: I'm the president of National Action Network. I've had any number of jobs...
O'REILLY: That's a job? I thought that was just your largess, giving back.
SHARPTON: If I have a civil rights organizations, not only did I have a job that hires scores of people...
O'REILLY: Have you ever had a regular job?
SHARPTON: That is a regular job.
O'REILLY: No, I know.
SHARPTON: No, it is...
O'REILLY: Have you ever had a regular job?
SHARPTON: Absolutely. I work 18 hours a day
O'REILLY: No, but what was your regular job? I painted houses. I drove a cab. What did you do?
SHARPTON: I was in Neighborhood Youth Corps, I worked in show biz. But civil rights is a very hard job.
O'REILLY: You managed James Brown, didn't you?
SHARPTON: I was his road manager.
O'REILLY: You managed James Brown, that was your job. OK, I've got that.
SHARPTON: But now I go on the spin zone with Bill O'Reilly.
O'REILLY: Yes, the no-spin zone.
SHARPTON: I should really consider that a job.
O'REILLY: All right, we only have a minute left. And you're going on CNBC, right?
SHARPTON: To do political commentary.
O'REILLY: OK, no one watches that network. This is a good strategy for you.
SHARPTON: So, then they all should watch me so that I can answer...
O'REILLY: Right. Five people watch-if five people watch you, you're a huge hit.
SHARPTON: Everyone that watches Bill, watch me so I can respond that night. I'll be on every night, trying to de-O'Reilly-ize America.
O'REILLY: Every night you're going on there?
SHARPTON: Every night I can.
O'REILLY: How are you going to create 10 million jobs with John Kerry if you're going to...
SHARPTON: No, no. John Kerry has a proposal, see...
O'REILLY: Oh, you're not going to do it.
SHARPTON: That's why they need me on TV. I don't twist words. No- spin zone.
O'REILLY: All right, here we go. Reverend Al Sharpton, let's hear it for him everybody.
SHARPTON: Thank you. Always a pleasure.
O'REILLY: In the next few moments, FOX News anchor John Gibson will tell us why the British government is mad at him. Can't wait to hear it.
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