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SHANDOBIL: OKAY. THE NEXT QUESTION, FOR THE NEXT QUESTION WE GO TO DAN, AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR PETER UEBERROTH.

BORENSTEIN: MR. UEBERROTH, LET'S START WITH SOME OF WHAT I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE AS WASTE IN GOVERNMENT, IF YOU WILL. REDUCED MEDI-CAL FRAUD BY 1.5 BILLION, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE SAID. WHERE IS THAT FRAUD? HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THAT? AND GIVEN CURRENT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, ARE THERE ENOUGH STATE WORKERS WHO WOULD HAVE THE EXTRA TIME TO INVESTIGATE FRAUD? ALSO, MIGHT SOME TRULY NEEDY BE INADVERTENTLY THROWN OFF THE SYSTEM IN THE PROCESS?

UEBERROTH: WELL, BASICALLY THERE IS WASTE IN GOVERNMENT. AND THERE IS FRAUD IN GOVERNMENT. AND I DO NOT THINK ANYONE LISTENING TO THIS PROGRAM WOULD DISAGREE.
AND WE HAVE TO AGGRESSIVELY DO THAT, TEAR IT UP BY THE ROOTS. WORKERS COMP IS—WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATES—

BORENSTEIN: I'M SORRY, I THINK THAT MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH MEDI-CAL FRAUD.
UEBERROTH: FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND TAKE IT ONE AFTER ANOTHER AND AFTER ANOTHER OF THE FRAUD IN MEDI-CAL, IT WOULD NOT WORK. THERE IS ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT I COULD SPEND NOT IN A ONE MINUTE SOUND BYTE. BUT FRANKLY WE ALL KNOW THERE IS FRAUD. THE 1.5 BILLION IS A VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. MANY PEOPLE SAY IT IS A GREAT DEAL MORE. THE REAL, TRUE THING IS WE'VE GOT TO GET REVENUES INTO THE STATE. AND SPEND THEM EFFICIENTLY IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE.

BORENSTEIN: LET ME TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME, THE LAST PARTS OF MY QUESTION. HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THAT? GIVEN CURRENT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, ARE THERE ENOUGH STATE WORKERS WHO WOULD HAVE THE EXTRA TIME TO INVESTIGATE FRAUD? AND MIGHT SOME TRULY NEEDY BE INADVERTENTLY THROWN OUT OF THE SYSTEM IN THE PROCESS? I DID NOT HEAR AN ANSWER TO ANY OF THOSE THREE QUESTIONS.

UEBERROTH: I'M NOT GOVERNOR YET. WHEN I AM, I'M FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO INVESTIGATE THE FRAUD. IF WE HAVE THEM IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT WHO ARE REALLY SINCERE ABOUT DOING THAT, I'LL FIND THEM. AND IF WE DON'T, I'LL HAVE TO BRING THEM IN AND REPLACE SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB, NOT DOING THEIR JOB IN CALIFORNIA.
SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU MR. UEBERROTH. THE FIRST REBUTTAL TO SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.
MCCLINTOCK: I WOULD DEFEND THE NUMBERS OF PETER. I THINK THEY ARE LOW. THE NUMBERS I'VE SEEN I BELIEVE ARE 2.5 BILLION DOLLARS IN MEDI-CAL FRAUD AND ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS IS THERE IS A LACK OF INTEREST IN STOPPING IT. GOING TO THE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, THERE IS 100 MILLION DOLLARS OF FRAUD THAT THE STATE KNOWS ABOUT. IT COULD STOP IT SIMPLY BY VERIFYING EMPLOYMENT RECORDS. THEY'VE NOT DONE SO. I HAVE A BILL TO DO THAT. IT IS STUCK NOW, JUST KILLED IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY ON A PARTY LINE VOTE. PETER IS RIGHT, THE FRAUD IS RAMPANT AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: EVERYONE IS AGAINST FRAUD. THE REAL DISGRACE THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE OVER 6 MILLION UNINSURED IN THE STATE, AND WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT HAVE TO GO INTO EMERGENCY ROOMS JUST TO GET THE BASIC CARE. I MEAN, THAT IS A GREAT DISGRACE IN A GREAT STATE LIKE OURS. AND THAT WOULD BE MY HIGHEST PRIORITY, RATHER THAN SIMPLY ALL OF THIS PLATITUDES ABOUT FRAUD, THE ESTIMATES COMING OUT FROM RESEARCH FOUNDATIONS AND SUSPECT THINK TANKS.

SHANDOBIL: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

BUSTAMANTE: THERE IS FRAUD, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS GREATER THAN THAT. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT WILL ROOT OUT FRAUD, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BUILD IT UP. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WILL DEAL WITH THE REAL PROBLEM THOUGH, YOU WILL HAVE TO SUPPORT A PROGRAM LIKE SV2 THAT WILL BE PROVIDING EMPLOYER—EMPLOYEES, FIVE MILLION EMPLOYEES IN CALIFORNIA THE ABILITY TO GET REAL HEALTHCARE. THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. PROPOSE IT, MOVE IT, AND MAKE SURE IT GETS IMPLEMENTED.
SHANDOBIL: THE FINAL REBUTTAL TO THIS QUESTION TO PETER CAMEJO.

CAMEJO: YOU KNOW, FRAUD EXISTS, OF COURSE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THERE IS A LOT OF—I'VE CALLED FOR AN AUDIT OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED. HOW DID WE GET FROM HAVING THIS INCREDIBLE, UNUSUAL INCOME AND END UP WITH A MASSIVE DEFICIT. I POINTED OUT AT MY FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE AN EXAMPLE, OVER $6.4 MILLION GIVEN TO A CORPORATION SUPPOSEDLY FOR EDUCATION WHEN THERE IS NO EDUCATION. THERE IS PROGRAMS HAPPENING HERE WHERE THEY ARE GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CORPORATIONS, AND TO—BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WELFARE FOR THE RICH. WE HAVE TO STOP THAT WASTE.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE MOVE ON NOW TO THE NEXT QUESTION FOR PILLAR WHO HAS A QUESTION FOR PETER CAMEJO.

MARRERO: MR. CAMEJO, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE HIGH SCHOOL EXIT EXAM HAD TO BE POSTPONED FOR THREE YEARS BECAUSE OF THE DISPARITIES IN ACCESS TO GOOD EDUCATION WOULD HAVE MADE FOR A HIGH FAILING RATE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO STUDENTS. GIVEN THAT APPARENTLY RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO MONEY TO SOLVE THAT DISPARITY, WILL YOU GET RID OF THE REQUIREMENT UNTIL THE PLAYING FIELD IS MORE LEVEL?

CAMEJO: I THINK SO. I'M NERVOUS ABOUT THE MANIA WE HAVE NOW ON TESTING. THE PROBLEMS ARE OFTEN BLAMED ON THE TEACHERS. THE TEACHERS CANNOT SOLVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS THAT THE SOCIETY AS A HOLE HAS TO SOME OF. THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THAT THEY CAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO JUDGING THE WORK THEY ARE DOING. WHERE I THINK THIS IS GOING, WITH ALL OF THE TESTING, IS TO SAY THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION IS NOT WORKING AND WE'LL PRIVATIZE. IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE TEACHER, THE CTA, THE TEACHER'S UNION HAS BEEN EXPLICIT, CLEAR ON THIS, COME FORWARD AND SAID THAT THE TESTING MANIA IS HURTING US IN THE WAY THAT THE TEACHERS HAVE TO TEACH AND THEIR JOB AND THEIR

RESPONSIBILITIES. WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS. THERE IS A HIDDEN AGENDA BEHIND THE MANIA FOR TESTING EVERYONE AND USE THAT GO AS A CRITERIA, INSTEAD OF A HOLISTIC CRITERIA.
MARRERO: BUT HOW WOULD YOU MEASURE THAT THE STUDENTS ARE MOVING FORWARD AND REALLY GETTING A EDUCATION.

CAMEJO: I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS COMPLEX. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT A SCHOOL BY SCHOOL SITUATION. THE LANGUAGE ISSUES, ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES NECESSARY FOR MAKING JUDGMENTS ON THE ADVANCE OF PEOPLE. WE ARE MAKING ADVANCES IN CALIFORNIA. AND BY THE WAY, EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN EXTREMELY CRITICAL OF GOVERNOR GRAY DAVIS, AS THOSE OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME KNOW, BUT HE DID PUT MORE MONEY INTO EDUCATION, YOU KNOW? WE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT. WE ARE MAKING HEADWAY. BUT WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. AND WE NEED TO IMPROVE GENTLEMEN INDICATION. BUT THE TESTING IS NOT THE WAY WE'RE REALLY GOING TO JUDGE IT IN THE END.

SHANDOBIL: WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE REBUTTAL TO YOUR ANSWER AND THE FIRST ONE GOES TO PETER UEBERROTH.

UEBERROTH: WE HAVE SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY ON EDUCATION, A WHOLE LOT MORE. AND IT WILL RUN OUT. AND THE TEACHERS, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, YOU TAKE THE MONEY THAT IS IN WASTE AND BUREAUCRACY OF OTHER TEACHERS AND PUT IT IN THE CLASSROOM. THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE TIME TO TEST, SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY THE ONLY THING I'M CONVINCED THAT I WANT TO SEE, I WANT TO SEE EVERYONE GRADUATE WITH PROFICIENCY IN ENGLISH TO GET A DECENT JOB, PAY TAXES AND THE STATE STARTS TO RECOVER.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON, YOUR CHANCE TO REBUT.

HUFFINGTON: ACTUALLY, I HAVE TO DISAGREE HERE WITH PETER CAMEJO'S PRAISING OF GOVERNOR GRAY DAVIS WHO IS THE GOVERNOR CONTINUING TO FIGHT A CLASS ACTION SUIT BROUGHT BY THE ACLU TO REPRESENT UNDERPRIVILEGED STUDENTS IN THE STATE. OUR GOVERNOR IS SPENDING $18 MILLION OF OUR MONEY FIGHTING THAT LAWSUIT.

SHANDOBIL: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, DO YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL.

BUSTAMANTE: WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO TEACH ENGLISH AND HISTORY. WE KNOW HOW TO TEACH. THE TEACHERS OF THIS STATE KNOW HOW TO TEACH. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET OUT OF THEIR WAY. THE MAGIC OF EDUCATION TAKES PRAISE IN THE CLASSROOM. THIS MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR ENTERPRISE WE CALL EDUCATION OUGHT TO BE MORE ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE CLASSROOM AND LESS ABOUT WHAT TAKES PLACE OUTSIDE.

SHANDOBIL: I TAKE THAT TO MEAN THAT YOU DO NOT ADVOCATE THE TESTING?

BUSTAMANTE: IN TERMS OF TESTING, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TESTING. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE TEACHERS NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE SAY AS TO WHAT GOES ON IN THE CLASSROOMS. THE MAGIC OF EDUCATION, AGAIN, IS ABOUT A MOTIVATED TEACHER AND A MOTIVATED STUDENT WITH PROPER TEXTBOOKS AND INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS AND LESS ABOUT THE COMPLICATIONS THAT WE PUT. EVERYONE HAS SUCH A GREAT IDEA. EVERYONE HAS BEEN HAVING GREAT IDEAS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

THE KIDS IN THE SCHOOLROOMS TODAY DO NOT HAVE PROPER TEXTBOOKS.

SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU. SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: I WOULD NOT POSTPONE THE EXAMS. YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. WE PUT $270,000 ON AVERAGE INTO EVERY CLASSROOM IN THE STATE. I HAVE TWO KIDS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND ONLY A FRACTION OF IT GETS INTO THE CLASSROOM. FOR YEARS I PROPOSED CLASSROOM BASED BUDGETS WHERE THE BONE WOULD BE INJECTED INTO THE CLASSROOM AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL AND REQUIRE THE BUREAUCRACY TO JUSTIFY HOW MUCH THEY ARE TAKING OUT FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND THE DEMOCRATS KILLED IT IN THE LEGISLATURE, SAYING IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE, NOT TO WRITE THE CHECKS, JUST TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO ENSURE THE MONEY GETS INTO THE CLASSROOM TO EDUCATE THE KIDS.

SHANDOBIL: THE NEXT QUESTION IS FROM JOHN MYERS, DIRECTED TOWARD ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

MYERS: MS. HUFFINGTON, ONE OF THE MOST SOLEMN JOBS OF A GOVERNOR IS HIS OR HERS INVOLVEMENT IN THE SENTENCE FOR DEATH. YOU'VE CALLED FOR A MORATORIUM ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BECAUSE OF A RACIAL DISPARITY IN THE PROCESS AND FACTUALLY INNOCENT PEOPLE SENTENCED TO DEATH. ARE YOU PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY OR ITS APPLICATION.

HUFFINGTON: I'M PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY AND VERY OPPOSED TO THE WAY IT HAS BEEN APPLIED IN CALIFORNIA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AT A TIME WHEN NEW DNA TESTING HAS KNOWN THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH BY GOVERNMENT, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD WANT A MORATORIUM. THE ONLY REASON WE DO NOT HAVE MORE ELECTED OFFICIALS ASKING FOR A MORATORIUM IS BECAUSE THEY ONLY FOLLOW THE POLLING RESULTS AND THEY ARE SPINELESS TO SPEAK THEIR OWN MINDS AND HEARTS.
THAT IS WE NEED INDEPENDENT DISCUSSION ON THE ISSUES OF DEATH PENALTY AND OTHERS IN THE STATE.

MYERS: YOU WOULD COMMUTE DEATH PENALTIES OUT THERE, IS THAT CORRECT, BY BEING PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED.

HUFFINGTON: I WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAW. AS A GOVERNOR, I HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE LAWS ARE BEING IMPOSED PROPERLY. BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND USE THE BULLET PULPIT TO CONVINCE THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA OF WHAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS A POWER THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS, THE POWER OF THE PULPIT, TO CREATE A NEW CONSENSUS AROUND THE ISSUE AS HAS HAPPENED AROUND THE ISSUE OF THE MORATORIUM ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.

SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU. FOR THE FIRST REBUTTAL WE GO TO THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

BUSTAMANTE: I SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY. BUT I WOULD GIVE EVERY PERSON WHO IS CONVICTED EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO PROVE THEY'RE INNOCENCE.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: I'M THE AUTHOR OF THE CURRENT LETHAL INJECTION DEATH PENALTY. I SUPPORT IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IT IS THE ADVENT OF DNA TESTING THAT SHOULD GIVE US GREATER CONFIDENCE IN THE LEGAL PROCESS. AND IT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO THE SECURITY OF THE LAW ABIDING PEOPLE OF THIS STATE TO BE PROTECTED FROM VIOLENT PLED SORES THAT IS THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNMENT.

SHANDOBIL: PETER CAMEJO.

CAMEJO: IN ILLINOIS THEY FOUND ABOUT 15 INNOCENT PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW. I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY AS ARE MOST ADVANCED INDUSTRIAL NATIONS IN THE WORLD, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT THE UNITED STATES. BUT I'M ALSO AGAINST THREE STRIKES WHERE WE PUT A PERSON IN JAIL FOR LIVE FOR STEALING $150 WORTH OF VIDEOS. WHEN OUR COURT RULED THAT THAT WAS UNJUST, GOVERNOR DAVIS APPEALED IT TO THE SUPREME COURT TO MAKE THEM REMAIN IN PRISON FOR LIFE FOR A MINOR CRIME.

THESE POLICIES WE HAVE ON THE DEATH PENALTY, ON THREE STRIKES ARE WRONG.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. AND THE FINAL CHANCE TO REPUTE THAT QUESTION GOES TO MR. UEBERROTH.

UEBERROTH: I'M IN FAVOR OF THE DEATH PENALTY. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO USE ALL SCIENCE TO ENSURE WE DO NOT MAKE ANY MISTAKES. THAT IS NOT WHY I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR. I'M RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR BECAUSE WE'RE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE, A CRISIS, AND THAT IS WHAT THE RECALL IS ABOUT. THE RECALL IS ABOUT A STATE OF CRISIS, TIGHTEN THE BELT AND GET NEW REVENUE SO WE CAN OPERATE. AND WE'LL DO ALL OF THE SOCIAL ISSUES WE WANT TO DO. RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO SEND OUR JOBS OUT, TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE STREET, TALK TO SMALL BUSINESS. THEY WILL BE NOT WANTING ME TO TALK ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO PROTECT THEIR JOBS AND BUSINESSES.

SHANDOBIL: THAT WAS CALLED STAYING ON MESSAGE.

UEBERROTH: ABSOLUTELY.

SHANDOBIL: PILLAR, A QUESTION FOR THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

MARRERO: CRUZ BUSTAMANTE, BY NOW YOUR SLOGAN IS CLEAR, NO ON THE RECALL, YES ON CRUZ BUSTAMANTE BUT YOU HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT GOVERNOR GRAY DAVIS. NAME SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY AS GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA THAN GRAY DAVIS DID?

BUSTAMANTE: THERE WAS A MOMENT IN THE ENERGY CRISIS, I BELIEVE, THAT WAS A PIVOTAL MOMENT. THE ENERGY COMPANIES WERE ACTING LIKE TERRORISTS. THEY WERE HOLDING US UP. AND THEY WERE BLACKMAILING US. AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT IF YOU DO NOT PAY US THIS MONEY, IF YOU DO NOT INCREASE OUR CONTRACTS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS. I THINK I WOULD HAVE CALLED THEIR BLUFF.

MARRERO: BUT YOU ARE THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR. WHY DIDN'T YOU SPEAK UP?

BUSTAMANTE: I DID. IN FACT, I SUED THE ENERGY COMPANIES. I WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ON A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. I SUED THE ENERGY COMPANIES. FIVE OF THEM, AS A MATTER OF FACT. AND AS A RESULT OF THE LAWSUIT, I'M PART OF A GROUP WHO GOT 1.8 BILLION DOLLARS BACK TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AND WE'RE EXPECTING MORE SETTLEMENTS IN THE VERY NEW FUTURE.

SHANDOBIL: ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU DISAGREE WITH THE GOVERNOR ON. HERE IS YOUR CHANCE. YOU'VE SAT QUIET ALL OF THESE YEARS.

BUSTAMANTE: MY COMPOSITION IS THESE FOLKS ON STAGE. THERE IS TWO PARTS TO THE RECALL QUESTION. THE GOVERNOR WILL MAKE HIS DECISION, MAKE THE KINDS OF STATEMENTS TO THE VOTERS, AND HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY. THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT WHO SUCCEEDS HIM IN THE EVENT THAT THAT RECALL IS SUCCESSFUL. MY OPTION HERE IS TO DISTINGUISH MYSELF WITH MY IDEAS AGAINST THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, AND THE GUY WHO IS NOT.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. WE'LL NOW GIVE THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE A CHANCE TO DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES FROM YOU. FOR THE FIRST REBUTTAL, WE GO TO PETER CAMEJO.

CAMEJO: THE GOVERNOR APPOINT THE PEOPLE TO COMMISSIONS BASED ON WHO GAVE HIM MONEY. HE SELLS LEGISLATION. HE TOLD THE HEAD OF THE TEACHER'S UNION WHEN THEY ASKED FOR EDUCATION, GAVE ME $1 MILLION. WHILE ALL OF IT HAS HAPPENED, ALL OF CALIFORNIA WATCHED. ALL OF THE LEADERS OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY REMAINED SILENT. AND MANY WERE SOUND ASLEEP. AND SO WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY DEEPLY WRONG THAT GRAY DAVIS EPITOMIZES WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM, WHERE DECISIONS ARE BASED ON MONEY. THE ENERGY DISASTER, HE GAVE THE PEOPLE COMING TO ROB US $43 BILLION.

SHANDOBIL: SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP. NOW TO MR. PETER UEBERROTH FOR REBUTTAL.

UEBEROTH: BASICALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO CRITICIZE AND I'M STICKING TO IT.

I WILL NOT CRITICIZE PEOPLE ON THE PANEL OR THE GOVERNOR. IT WILL NOT BE MY GAME. THE RECALL IS GOING TO PASS. AND BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE GOING TO MAKE IT PASS, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. AND SO NO CRITICISM OF THE GOVERNOR. THE SYSTEM, IN SACRAMENTO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP THERE FOR 30, 40, 50 YEARS. WORKING. THE COMBINED SERVICE ON THIS PANEL. IT IS NOT WORKING. IT IS TIME TO FIX SACRAMENTO, TIGHTEN THE BUDGET AND GET NEW JOBS.

SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU, SIR. STATE SENATOR MCCLINTOCK, AGAIN IF YOU COULD REBUT THE QUESTION ASKED OF THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

MCCLINTOCK: I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA HAVING VOTED TO RECALL THIS GOVERNOR FOR POLICIES BANKRUPTING OUR STATE, DECIMATED OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVASTATED OUR ECONOMY WILL THEN TURN AROUND AND ELECT ANOTHER CANDIDATE TO CARRY ON PRECISELY THOSE SAME POLICIES. THE REASON WE'RE ALL HERE IS BECAUSE OF POLICIES THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS FOLLOWED, INCLUDING BUDGETS TAKES US FROM A $12 BILLION SURPLUS TO A $38 BILLION DEFICIT AND I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT CRUZ BUSTAMANTE WAS SILENT ON THE BUDGET WHILE I LED OPPOSITION TO THEM IN THE LEGISLATURE.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: CRUZ, I WONDER SOMETIME WHETHER YOU STAY AWAKE AT NIGHT WORRYING THAT YOU COULD SPOIL THE ONLY CHANCE THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE TO ELECT A TRULY INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE GOVERNOR: MYSELF? YOU KNOW—

BUSTAMANTE: NO, I DON'T.

HUFFINGTON: CRUZ, PLEASE. CRUZ, DON'T BE—

BUSTAMANTE: AT LEAST NOT YOURS.

HUFFINGTON: I REPEAT—

UEBERROTH: IS THAT AN ENDORSEMENT

HUFFINGTON: DO NOT BE THE ASSASSINATOR OF 2003. THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENTLY ELECTED GOVERNOR.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE BACK TO THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY WILL GET SHORT ANSWERS, WE'LL TRY GOING A COUPLE MORE ROUNDS OF THAT SO, AGAIN, IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR ANSWERS TO ABOUT 15 SECONDS, YOU WILL ALL GET THE SAME QUESTION. AND THE FIRST QUESTION IS FROM DAN.

BORENSTEIN: THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS CURRENTLY CONSIDERING A BILL ALLOWING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO OBTAIN DRIVERS LICENSES, WE DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY EARLIER WITH THE CITIZEN'S GROUP, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE COMMENTS FROM ALL OF YOU. HE BILL PASSED THE ASSEMBLY YESTERDAY. THE GOVERNOR SAID THAT HE WOULD SIGN IT. DO YOU SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL?

SHANDOBIL: THE FIRST CHANCE TO ANSWER THAT GOES TO PETER UEBERROTH.

UEBERROTH: WELL, THE BILL, I UNDERSTAND, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PART HAS BEEN SOFTENED A GREAT DEAL. I SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT. I WOULD SIGN THE BILL, BECAUSE I HAVE TO TAKE A DRIVERS TEST. THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THEY ARE DOING SOME VERY GOOD THINGS, I AGREE WITH CRUZ ON THAT.

SO I WOULD SIGN THE BILL. AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: I WOULD HAVE SIGNED THE BILL THE FIRST TIME IN WHEN THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT BECAUSE HIS BACK WAS NOT AGAINST THE WALL.

SHANDOBIL: TOM MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: I LED THE OPPOSITION TO THAT MEASURE ON THE SENATOR FLOOR THIS MORNING. I THINK IT IS A DANGEROUS MEASURE. THE ONLY PURPOSE OF IT IS TO PLACE VALID STATE IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS IN THE HANDS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS UNDERMINING ENFORCEMENT OF IMMIGRATION LAWS

SHANDOBIL: PETER.

CAMEJO: THE EUROPEANS CAME OVER HERE ILLEGALLY, THEY ARE 45% OF OUR POPULATION, I SAY WE LET THEM STAY AND GIVE THEM A DRIVERS LICENSE. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE 20,000 YEARS ON THIS CONTINENT, DESPERATELY NEEDED, NO ONE IS FOR THEM LEAVING, HOW CAN WE NOT GIVE THEM A DRIVERS LICENSE.

SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU. LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

BUSTAMANTE: I WOULD SIGN THE BILL. I WOULD SUPPORT THE EFFORTS. IN THE END, PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO HOW TO DRIVE AND THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THE LIVES WILL BE A PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFIT TO EVERYONE IN CALIFORNIA.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. FOR THE NEXT QUESTION, WE GO TO JOHN MYERS. MYERS: THIS QUESTION IS JUST TO ASK YOU YOUR OPINIONS ON GUN CONTROL ISSUES, WHEN IT COMES TO OWNING A GUN IN GENERAL OR THE TYPE OF GUN THAT CAN BE OWNED, AS GOVERNOR, OR THE TYPE OF AMMUNITION BOUGHT, AS GOVERNOR, WOULD YOU SUPPORT MORE OR LESS RESTRICTIONS?

SHANDOBIL: SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: LESS RESTRICTIONS. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL NATURAL RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST VIOLENT PREDATORS, THE RIGHT IS ENSHRINED IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

SHANDOBIL: PETER.

CAMEJO: I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION BUT I AM FOR MORE RESTRICTIONS.

SHANDOBIL: PETER UEBERROTH.

UEBERROTH: I GO TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND—THEY ARE THE EXPERTS RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS AND NOT SUPPORT ANY CHANGES.

SHANDOBIL: CRUZ BUSTAMANTE.

BUSTAMANTE: I SUPPORT THE EXISTING LAWS. WE'VE BANNED ASSAULT WEAPONS. WE MADE SURE THAT WE HAVE TRIGGER LOCKS. I WOULD LOOK FOR BETTER WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WEAPONS ARE SAFELY IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD HAVE THEM AND I WOULD LOOK FOR WAYS OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO IT BETTER, I WOULD LOOK TO DO THAT.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: I WOULD SUPPORT BOTH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS, AND BETTER IMPLEMENTATION OF THE EXISTING LAWS.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO A NEW QUESTION. IT IS FROM PILLAR

MARRERO: UNDER PROPOSITION 54 THAT WILL ALSO BE IN THE OCTOBER 7TH PAL LOT, STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE PROHIBITED FROM COLLECTING MUCH OF THE RACE RELATED DATA THEY NOW GATHER NOT MANDATED BY FEDERAL LAW. DO YOU SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE?

SHANDOBIL: THE FIRST CHANCE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IS FROM MR. CAMEJO

CAMEJO: I'M ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT. IT IS A WORSHIP OF IGNORANCE, INSTEAD OF WANTING TO KNOW WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IN THE STATE, WE HAD A MOTION IN THE SENATE, THE ASSEMBLY TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER WE ARE HAVING RACIAL PROFILING. THE GOVERNOR VETOED IT. THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE BILL. WE HEARD HIM TO SAY TODAY HE IS AGAINST IT. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT.

SHANDOBIL: LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

BUSTAMANTE: I THINK IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE RACIAL PROFILING. I KNOW THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS TRACKING A PILOT PROGRAM THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY. IT IS IMPORTANT WE DO NOT HAVE PROFILING. WE SHOULD PROFILE ON WHAT PEOPLE DO, NOT THE WAY THEY LOOK.

SHANDOBIL: ARIANNA HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: I'M CAMPAIGNING AGAINST PROP 54 ALL AROUND THE STATE. IT IS BAD FOR HEALTHCARE, BAD FOR EDUCATION, BAD FOR PUBLIC POLICY. IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN RACIAL DISCRIMINATION WITHOUT A PAPER TRAIL.

SHANDOBIL: SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: I STRONGLY SUPPORT PROPOSITION 54. I BELIEVE OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE COLOR-BLIND. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A PERSON'S SKIN COLOR SHOULD DETERMINE HOW THEIR GOVERNMENT TREATS THEM.

SHANDOBIL: MR. UEBERROTH.

UEBERROTH: I WAS—I GOT TO KNOW WARD CONNERLY CHAMPIONING THIS BILL WHEN I WAS ASKED TO IN THE LAST RECESSION, THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ASKED HE TO HELP ON THE RECOVERY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO HIM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS DOING EXACTLY AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE BETTER. I'M THE NEOPHYTE HERE. AND I'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT MY DECISION AND HAVE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION.

BUSTAMANTE: JUST TO BE SURE, I OPPOSE PROP 54 TO ENSURE IT IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.

SHANDOBIL: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTIONS. AND THIS, THE FIRST ONE COMES FROM DAN.

BORENTSTEIN: SAME-SEX COUPLES IN CALIFORNIA WOULD RECEIVE MOST OF THE SAME LEGAL BENEFITS AS MARRIED COUPLES UNDER A BILL PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE. GOVERNOR GRAY DAVIS HAS PLEDGED TO SIGN IT. THE BILL ALLOWS ONE PARTNER TO TAKE CUSTODY OF CHILDREN IF THE OTHER PARTNER DIES, GIVES PARTNERS THE RIGHT NOT TO BE FORCED TO TESTIFY AGAINST EACH OTHER IN COURT AND GIVES THEM THE SAME RIGHTS AT MARRIED COUPLES TO TRANSFER AND SHARE PROPERTY. WOULD YOU SIGN IT IF YOU WERE GOVERNOR?

SHANDOBIL: PETER UEBERROTH

UEBERROTH: AS YOU EXPLAIN IT, IN THE SHORT, SOUND BYTE FORM WHICH I DO NOT THINK THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN GOVERNMENT, I WOULD SIGN IT. BUT I'M NOT—FOR MARRIAGES BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES.

SHANDOBIL: MS. HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: I WOULD SIGN IT. I BELIEVE IN THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION.

SHANDOBIL: SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: I WOULD VETO IT. I DO NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES. BUT I DRAW THE LINE WHEN THEY ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE IT OF IT.

SHANDOBIL: PETER CAMEJO.

CAMEJO: EVERY FAMILY HAS GAYS AND LESBIANS IN IT. PART OF OUR FAMILY AND PART OF HUMANITY. THEY MUST HAVE EXACTLY EQUAL RIGHTS, WHICH INCLUDES MARRIAGE. NOT TOMORROW, BUT TODAY. LET'S END THIS. HOW MANY CENTURIES OF VICIOUSNESS DO WE HAVE TO ALLOW THIS? FULL AND EQUAL RIGHTS, INCLUDING MARRIAGE.

SHANDOBIL: TIME, SIR. LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR BUSTAMANTE.

BUSTAMANTE: I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

SHANDOBIL: OKAY. WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION. THIS ONE IS FROM JOHN MYERS.

MYERS: IN 1996, CALIFORNIA VOTERS APPROVED PROPOSITION 215, LEGALIZING MEDICINAL MARIJUANA FOR THOSE SERIOUSLY ILL. NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CONTINUED TO CHALLENGE THE LAW, DOES NOT SEEM TO RECOGNIZE IT. DO YOU SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE USE OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT PROPOSITION?

SHANDOBIL: THE FIRST CHANCE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION TO SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA SPOKE CLEARLY ON THAT SUBJECT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO INTERVENE.

CAMEJO: I'M IN COMPLETE—COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT. IN FACT, I THINK IT IS CRAZY WHAT WE DO IN THE UNITED STATES TO PROMOTE TOBACCO, THE MOST ADDICTIVE DRUG KILLING MILLIONS THROUGH THE WORLD AND CRIMINALIZE SOMETHING UNDOCUMENTED, COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, NOT A ADDICTIVE DRUGS AND KILLS NO ONE.

UEBERROTH: WE MAY HAVE A UNANIMOUS DECISION HERE. IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, YOU GIVE THEM EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO TO TAKE AWAY THAT SUFFERING.

BUSTAMANTE: I SUPPORT THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE. THEY CLEARLY WERE VERY, VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND I THINK PETER IS RIGHT. WHEN PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, AND THAT IS THE OPEN THING THAT IS AVAILABLE, AS LONG AS IT IS PROPERLY DISTRIBUTED, I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

HUFFINGTON: I SUPPORT IT TOO. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY FIGHT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS, NOT JUST ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA, BUT ON OUR CLEAN AIR POLICIES, ON OUR OIL DRILLING POLICIES, TO TRY CONSTANTLY DESPITE THE PRETENSIONS THAT THEY LIKE STATE'S RIGHTS, TO TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLEOF CALIFORNIA.

Morrero: DO YOU SUPPORT THE CURRENT LAW ALLOWING UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WHO RESIDE HERE HAVING GRADUATED WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO PAY THE SAME TUITION THAT OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE STATE PAY?

CAMEJO: YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK OF THE MILLIONS OF WORKERS THAT WE HAVE WHO LIVE TODAY UNDER AN APARTHEID SYSTEM. IT IS TOTALLY UNJUST AND WE HAVE TO END IT. NO ONE HERE SAYS THAT I WANT TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. IF THEY ARE GOING TO STAY HERE, THEY HAVE TO BE TREATED FULLY AS EVERYONE ELSE. THEY HAVE TO BE GIVEN FULL HUMAN RIGHTS.

BUSTAMANTE: YES, I DO.

SHANDOBIL: YOU DO GIVE SHORT ANSWERS. YOU ARE KEEPING ME ON MY TOES HERE.

HUFFINGTON: CAN I HAVE HIS EXTRA TIME.

SHANDOBIL: NO, YOU CANNOT.

BUSTAMANTE: PLEASE, PLEASE. COULD YOU GIVE HER THE EXCESS OF MY TIME.

HUFFINGTON: WHAT A GENTLEMAN.

SHANDOBIL: YOUR CHANCE, MS. HUFFINGTON.

HUFFINGTON: Yes, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. AND ALSO, AS MY FIRST ACT OF GOVERNOR, I WOULD ROLL BACK THE TUITION FEE HIKES FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES, AND UNIVERSITIES THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS UNFORTUNATELY MISGUIDED ENOUGH TO SIGN INTO LAW.

MCCLINTOCK: NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT INSTATE TUITION PRIVILEGES SHOULD BE GRANTED TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION UNDERLIES THE PROCESS OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION, A STRENGTH OF THIS NATION.

UEBERROTH: I WOULD SUPPORT IT. I WOULD SUPPORT THE CHANCE FOR ANYONE IN THIS STATE THAT WE'VE ACCEPTED BECAUSE OF FEDERAL LAW, WE'VE ACCEPTED THESE PEOPLE INTO OUR STATE, AND WE OUGHT TO GIVE THEM THE FAIR CHANCE FOR EDUCATION. I WOULD TURN TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND SAY, YOU ARE PROTECTING THE BORDERS, IT IS YOUR DECISION TO BRING 2 MILLION PEOPLE INTO OUR STATE.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. BECAUSE WE COULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, FOLKS, TO PAY FOR IT.

SHANDOBIL: BUT WE DO HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE ROUND OF SHORT ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND DAN I HOPE YOU HAVE ONE READY.

BORENSTEIN: I DEFINITELY DO. THE FIRST SUMMER HE WAS IN OFFICE GOVERNOR GRAY DAVIS SIGNED A BILL REQUIRING OVERTIME FOR WORKERS ON THE JOB MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS A DAY. THE NEW LAW REVERSED THE DECISION BY GOVERNOR PETE WILSON TO REQUIRE EXTRA PAY ONLY AFTER 40 HOURS OF WORK IN A WEEK. DO YOU AGREE WITH DAVIS?

BUSTAMANTE: I SUPPORT THE PAYMENT OF OVERTIME PAY AFTER EIGHT HOURS A DAY. I ALSO SUPPORT MAKING SURE THAT WORKERS HAVE THE—A DECENT PLACE TO WORK AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE PROPER BENEFITS AS WELL.

CAMEJO: THE LAST TEN YEARS, THE WEALTHIEST 5% HAVE GAINED 113% OF THEIR INCOME, THE AVERAGE PERSON HARDLY GAINED AT ALL, 8%, I'M FOR ANY LAW PROTECTING WORKING PEOPLE, THEIR FAIR SHARE, MEANING OVERTIME AFTER EIGHT HOURS.

MCCLINTOCK: NO, I VERY MUCH OPPOSE THAT MEASURE. IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO TO WORKERS, TAKING AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO—FLEXIBLE RIGHT IN THEIR WORK SCHEDULES, TAKING AWAY THE RIGHT OF A MOM TO TAKE OFF A FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND WORK EXTRA HOURS ANOTHER DAY. IT WAS A BIG MISTAKE.

HUFFINGTON: I SUPPORT THE OVERTIME MEASURE. SEEING HOW MANY WAYS THAT CORPORATIONS HAVE TO TRY TO DEFRAUD THE WORKERS, ANY PROTECTIONS I WOULD WELCOME.

UEBERROTH: I OPPOSE IT. IT DRIVES OUT JOBS AND PLUS I HAVE MY OWN WORKERS, I'M A SMALL BUSINESSPERSON, HAVING GROWN UP IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, AND I HAVE BUSINESSES HERE. AND WOMEN ESPECIALLY COME TO ME AND SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO WORK THREE DAYS, THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THAT I CAN GET A BABY-SITTER, I WANT TO WORK OVERTIME AND GET MY 40 HOURS IN, IT RESTRICTS IT, NOT FAIR TO THE WORKER, NOT FAIR, IT DRIVES JOBS OUT, LESS MONEY IN THE STATE AND IT IS NOT SMART.

SHANDOBIL: I THINK, IF SOMEONE CAN CONFIRM IN MY EAR, WE'RE NOW SUPPOSED TO MOVE TO CLOSING ARGUMENTS, CLOSING STATEMENTS, EXCUSE ME. WE CHOSE THE ORDER BY LOTTERY. AND THE FIRST CHANCE TO ISSUE THEIR CLOSING STATEMENT GOES UP TO SENATOR MCCLINTOCK.

MCCLINTOCK: AS I SAID EARLIER, THE REASON THAT WE'RE ALL HERE IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WE COULD NOT CONTINUE ANOTHER THREE YEARS DOWN THIS ROAD WITH THE POLICIES THAT HAVE BANKRUPTED OUR STATE AND DECIMATED OUR PUBLIC WORKS.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY OF OUR GENERATION, THIS HISTORIC TURNING POINT, TO ROLL BACK THE TAXES, THE REGULATIONS DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY, AND TO REIGN IN OUR OUT-OF-CONTROL BUREAUCRACIES, RESTORE OUR CRUMBLING PUBLIC WORKS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A GOVERNOR THAT KNOWS EVERY INCH OF THE STATE BUREAUCRACY AND WHO IS READY AND WILLING TO CHALLENGE AND CONFRONT THE SPENDING LOBBY CONTROLLING OUR GOVERNMENT.

I BELIEVE THAT THE HOUR HAS COME. THIS IS OUR GENERATION'S OPPORTUNITY. TO RESTORE TO OUR CHILDREN THE GOLDEN STATE THAT OUR PARENTS GAVE TO US.

MY FOLKS CAME HERE IN 1965 LOOKING FOR A BETTER FUTURE FOR THEIR KIDS. THEY FOUND IT IN THIS STATE. ABUNDANT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. CHEAP ELECTRICITY, PLENTIFUL JOBS, LOW TAXES.

THAT STATE TODAY IS GONE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SIMPLE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF SOME ACT OF GOD STRIKING DOWN OUR STATE. IT IS BECAUSE OF A LOT OF VERY STUPID ACTS OF GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RESPONSIBILITY AS A GENERATION TO CHANGE THAT IN 34 DAYS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEAD THE STATE IN THE NEW DIRECTION BACK TO THE GOLDEN STATE THAT MY PARENTS FOUND HERE, WHEN THEY CAME IN 1965. I'VE GOT KIDS ABOUT THE SAME AGE NOW AS MY SISTER AND I WERE WHEN WE CAME OUT HERE.

I WONDER WHAT KIND OF STATE ARE WE GOING TO LEAVE TO THEM IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD.

UEBERROTH: LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I AM AND WHAT I'M NOT. I'M NOT A POLITICIAN. I'M NOT GOOD ON TV. I DO NOT TALK IN SOUND BYTES. BUT WHAT I AM, I'M A LEADER. I'M A PROBLEM-SOLVER. I'M A BUSINESSMAN.

AND I'VE SEEN CALIFORNIA IN ITS VERY BEST DAYS, TIMES WITH THE OLYMPIC GAMES WHEN PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER, CALIFORNIANS, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, LEADERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, RONALD REAGAN, LEADER IN DEMOCRAT TOM BRADLEY.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO CONFOUND PEOPLE, THE DOOM-SAYERS WHO SAID CALIFORNIA COULDN'T DO IT, AND WE DELIVERED A OLYMPIC GAMES.

I WAS IN THE RIOTS. I SAW REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS COME TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING. THAT IS WHAT I'M ALL ABOUT.

I'M ABOUT LOCKING UP THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS, THE FIRST DAY, EMERGENCY SESSION. LOCK THEM UP. KEEP THEM THERE UNTIL WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT WORKS AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY.

I'M NOT GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE AGAIN. I WILL NOT BE OUT THERE COMPETING REPUBLICAN AGAINST DEMOCRAT AT COCKTAIL PARTIES AT NIGHT RAISING FUNDS, I WILL STAY WITH THEM UNTIL WE GET IT DONE.

THAT IS WHAT I DO. WHEN I GET IT DONE, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL ASK THEM TO DO IS ONE THING: THEY HAVE TO QUIT BEING—WE ARE 49TH IN TERMS OF JOB FRIENDLINESS, 49TH. WE CANNOT BE.

OUR NEIGHBORS ARE PREYING ON US. IT IS ARIZONA, NEVADA, OREGON, TEXAS AND FLORIDA. THEY ARE PREYING ON US, TAKING OUR JOBS OUT. THE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA KNOW THAT. WE HAVE TO THEN—WE HAVE TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO TURN CALIFORNIA AROUND AND BECOME JOHN FRIENDLY, PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND, PUT A SIGN UP THERE THAT SAYS, NOW, NO LONGER ARE WE THROWING JOBS OUT OF THE STATE OR ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO MOVE OUT. WE'RE JOB FRIENDLY. ALL THE PACIFIC RIM COUNTRIES, ALL OF THE REST OF THE STATES.

WE HAVE TO COMPETE. THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE, THE BEST PEOPLE AND WORKFORCE. WE NEED TO HAVE THE JOBS, HIGH-PAYING JOBS. JOBS PAY FOR GOVERNMENT, THAT IS HOW WE SOLVE THE SOCIAL PROBLEMS AND WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW.

CAMEJO: AS THE GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR, I WANT TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. BY TAKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PAYING THE LOWEST TAX RATE, THE RICHEST 5% AND HAVE THEM PAY THE SAME TAXES YOU ARE, THAT WOULD BALANCE THE BUDGET. IF WE CLOSED THE TAX LOOPHOLES FOR CORPORATIONS, GET RID OF THE WASTE, WE COULD HAVE A SURPLUS AND START TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.

DO YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN RAISE TAXES
WE ARE 36TH IN THE NATION IN PROPERTY TAXES. WE ARE 19TH IN TAXES. THE REPUBLICANS TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LEAVING, WHERE WILL THEY GO, ARIZONA, UTAH, WYOMING, REPUBLICAN-RUN STATES WITH HIGHER TAXES THAN WE DO.

WE NEED TO CREATE THE BALANCED BUDGET THROUGH A FAIR TAX, THEN WE CAN TAKE THE MONEY, CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED.
I WANT TO SEE CALIFORNIA BECOME THE WORLD LEADER IN RENEWABLE ENERGY. WE SHOULD BECOME LEADERS IN RENEWABLE ENERGY. THAT IS THE FUTURE. THAT IS THE NEXT WAVE THAT IS NEEDED.

THE GREEN PARTY FAVORS A LIVING WAGE FOR ALL AND UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE AND WE ARE FOR FULL EQUALITY IN CALIFORNIA, MEANING MARRIAGE AND DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ALL, AS WE'VE SAID. AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SAVING THE LAST 4% OF OUR ANCIENT FORESTS WHICH SOON WE MAY LOSE IF THINGS CONTINUE THE WAY THEY ARE.

WE WANT TO OPEN UP THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM. LOOK AT THE DEBATE TODAY. DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DAY WHEN THERE ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE HEARD.

IF A PERSON GETS 20% OF THE VOTE, THEY SHOULD GET 20% OF THE ASSEMBLY, THE WAY IT IS ALL OVER THE WORLD, EXCEPT IN AMERICA. WE HAVE A 200-YEAR DYSFUNCTIONAL, MONEY-DOMINATED, WINNER-TAKE-ALL SYSTEM.

WE NEED TO HAVE RUNOFFS AND INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING, A SYSTEM USED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, SO THAT THE WILL OF THE ELECTORATE IS RESPECTED. THE RECALL ELECTION IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.

WE NEED TO OPEN UP THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM, GIVE PEOPLE CHOICES, HAVE MORE THAN TWO PARTIES, BRING THE PEOPLE BACK TO POWER. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THE RULE OF MONEY OVER OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IN OUR OWE SIGHT AND WANT TO PUT IT BACK INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE, VOTE FOR THE GREEN PARTY, VOTE CAMEJO FOR GOVERNOR.
HUFFINGTON: I'M NOT A CONVENTIONAL POLITICIAN BUT THESE ARE NOT CONVENTIONAL TIMES. I WILL ALWAYS TELL YOU THE TRUTH, RATHER THAN WHAT THE POLLSTERS TELL ME WE WANT TO HEAR.

WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP THE MESS IF WE KEEP ELECTING THE SAME POLITICIANS, FUNDED BY THE SAME SPECIAL INTERESTS, WHO GOT US INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF LIGHT OR LEFT. THIS IS A QUESTION OF RIGHT OR WRONG. AND IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO CHANGE GOVERNORS, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE GOVERN. THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA DO NOT REALLY WANT A RECALL. THEY WANT A REVOLUTION. AND I PROMISE THAT I CAN BE THAT INDEPENDENT LEADER WHO WILL MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

I WILL MAKE THE PRIORITIES OF OUR STATE THE PRIORITIES OF A MOTHER. A GOOD SCHOOL. HEALTHCARE. A CLEAN AND SAFE WORLD TO LIVE IN. I WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET BY MAKING CORPORATIONS AND GAMING INTERESTS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES AND ULTIMATELY, THE TRUTH IS, THAT THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION TOOK PLACE ON THE EAST COAST. AND IT WAS ABOUT FREEING OURSELVES FROM AN OPPRESSIVE KING. THE NEXT AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS TAKING PLACE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. AND IT IS ABOUT FREEING OURSELVES FROM OPPRESSIVE SPECIAL INTERESTS.

JOIN ME. AND,TOGETHER, WE CAN REALLY TAKE BACK OUR STATE AND TOGETHER WE CAN REBUILD IT. THANK YOU.

BUSTAMANTE: THE VOTERS OF THIS STATE, TWICE, HAVE VOTED FOR ME TO BE THE PERSON TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE GOVERNOR IN THE EVENT HE WAS UNABLE TO CONTINUE. TWICE, OVER 5 MILLION PEOPLE SUPPORTED MY EFFORT.

BUT THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO SAY, AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ON OUR BEHALF? THE FIRST THING THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.

I'VE PRESIDED OVER A LEGISLATURE REFORMING WELFARE IN CALIFORNIA, AND WE CUT COLLEGE TUITION BY 5%. WE ADDED 600,000 CHILDREN TO THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM OF CALIFORNIA. AND THEN, AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, I HAVE BEEN TRAINING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GOING TO BE PREPARED IN THE EVENT THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS NOT ABLE TO MOVE.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IS THROUGH THE KIND OF IDEAS THAT I'M PRESENTING. SO AT THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT THE ANNOUNCEMENT TOOK PLACE ON MY CANDIDACY I SAID NOT JUST A CONCEPT ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF THE CAR TAX, I GAVE A CLEAR, DECISIVE PLAN ON HOW TO DO THAT.

THE SECOND WEEK I PRESENTED ANOTHER PLAN, TO TAKE CARE OF THE STATE BUDGET PROBLEMS WE HAVE HERE IN CALIFORNIA. THE ONLY CANDIDATE SO FAR TO DO THAT. I TOOK AWAY, AND I CUT THE CAR TAX. I RESTORED EDUCATION FUNDING, AND I TOOK CARE OF THE BUDGET HOLE.

THE THIRD WEEK, I CAME OUT AND I SAID THAT THE GASOLINE COMPANIES, THE OIL COMPANIES, ARE HAVING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT THE ENERGY COMPANIES WERE DOING TO US JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

INTERESTING, SIX COMPANIES, JUST LIKE DURING THE ENERGY CRISIS HERE IN CALIFORNIA, SIX COMPANIES HAVE 90% OF THE MARKET SHARE HERE IN CALIFORNIA.

THE PEOPLE IN CONTRA COSTA HAVE THE REFINERIES RIGHT HERE PROVIDING PLENTY OF FUEL, AND THEY ARE SENDING THAT FUEL TO NEVADA. AND YET PEOPLE FROM NEVADA PAY MORE THAN THE PEOPLE IN WALNUT CREEK. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL.

IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. THE PEOPLE IN NEVADA, THEY ARE PAYING MORE THAN THE PEOPLE HERE. I'M SORRY. I'VE SAID THAT TWICE. AGAIN. I'M SO EXCITED.

THE FACT IS THAT CALIFORNIANS ARE BEING GOUGED, THE CALIFORNIANS ARE GOUGED. AND THE HIGHEST PROFIT MARGINS IN THE COUNTRY ARE TAKING PLACE RIGHT HERE IN CALIFORNIA, EVEN HIGH-TAX STATES LIKE NEW YORK CITY, THOSE FOLKS PAY LESS IN GASOLINE THAN HERE.
THE PEOPLE IN NEVADA ARE PAYING LESS THAN WE DO IN CALIFORNIA, FOR THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE OIL COMPANIES WE COME UP AND WE ENSURE THEY ARE NOT GOUGING US.

SHANDOBIL: THANK YOU TO ALL. AND THANK YOU TO GOVERNOR DAVIS, WHO WAS WITH US FOR THE FIRST HALF-HOUR OF THE BROADCAST.

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