MSNBC The Situation with Tucker Carlson - Transcript
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CARLSON: Bill Frist is not the only one worried about the security of ports. Many GOP members are calling for a delay of the deal that would allow the Dubai-based company to have control over seaports in New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Baltimore, New Orleans and Miami.
Florida Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen is one of those Republicans asking the president to slow the process down. She joins me live tonight from Miami.
Congresswoman, thanks a lot for coming on.
REP. ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN ®, FLORIDA: Hey, Tucker. Thanks. First time on your show, this new format. Thank you so much.
CARLSON: Well, were glad to have you. So whatI mean, what is going on? This politically does not make sense, why the president would take this stand, threaten to veto, something he hasnt done, much to my disappointment and I think many other conservatives.
ROS-LEHTINEN: This is true.
CARLSON: Why a veto over this? I dont get it at all.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Im astounded. Im mystified. Im flabbergasted. Im amazed. Incredulous. I dont know how many words I can use.
To use this issue to take a stand and throw the gauntlet down and say, you know, "Im the macho guy. I dare you to pass legislation, because if you do Im going to veto it," my golly, I hardly run into any of my colleagues, Republican or Democrat, who are in favor of this deal.
And the most mystifying thing of all is the secret committee, CFIUS. Even if were not able to stop this deal, Tucker, from going through, because after all, March 2 is the date when theywhen they finalize the deal.
If were not able to squash this, at the very least we are going to have significant reform of this secret process called CFIUS, this Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, because these agencies meet. We dont see the deliberations. And they decide whether deals are going to go through or not.
Couldnt we have at least one congressional oversight hearing? One Senate testimony?
CARLSON: Well, of course.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Is it asking too much to have a little transparency?
Its unbelievable. Were just flabbergasted.
CARLSON: Whats shocking to me is, I mean, youre an independent thinker. Youre also an ally of the Bush administration on a lot of different issues and I think a pretty effective one. If theyre alienating you on this issue, do they haveit makes me think they must have no support among Republicans in the Congress. Do you know anybody whos for this deal?
ROS-LEHTINEN: Im not sure. At least the people Ive talked to are not. And these are strong allies of the president. Youre talking about Denny Hastert. He is no radical. He is no moderate. Hes a great Republican leader for our House. Hes not for it.
Senator Frist, hes not for it. Some may say, well, hes got political aspirations. Clearly Denny Hastert does not. And folks are flabbergasted about this.
And in Miami, in our community, were really worried. Now, we know that this does not mean foreign ownership of the port. It doesnt mean that theyre hiring and firing. It doesnt mean that theyre controlling the customs inspections. We understand that this is a foreign government thats going to be buy a parta piece of the action of the port. And that is, in and of itself, very scary to us in south Florida.
We know that theyre not going to ride roughshod over customs, so were not exaggerating the problem. What were saying is its quite different to have a British company, an independent company, do this, the management, the operation of the cargo facilities, and quite another to have a foreign government, which is what you have in Dubai World Port. This is a state-run agency.
CARLSON: But not according to the president.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Yes, I know. He doesnt make that distinction.
CARLSON: ... the issuebut also, I mean, even the broader question. He said whats the difference betweenits almost suggesting bigotry on the part of the opponents of this deal, by saying as he did today....
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thats right. Hes suggesting racially profiling.
CARLSON: Why is he for (ph) the British?
ROS-LEHTINEN: He says let the British company defend why we shouldnt sell to a Middle Eastern company. This is not a Middle Eastern company. This is a state-runDubai is one of the United Arab Emirates. Yes, its a strong today. What will happen tomorrow and where were they yesterday?
As all of us know from hearing the news all day, two of the hijackers, some of the money from 9/11 went through thesebanking system. I was just in Dubai three weeks ago. A lot of members of Congress go through Dubai as we leave Iraq and Afghanistan. Its a great country. Its a good ally today.
CARLSON: Its a great place.
ROS-LEHTINEN: But who knows where they will be tomorrow. This is not
this is not a stable...
CARLSON: But also, can we be honest for one...
ROS-LEHTINEN: ... democracy, not a strong ally.
CARLSON: Its not a democracy. And it is a great place. I agree. I love Dubai.
ROS-LEHTINEN: And we would have the same reservations if it were Venezuelan, if it were the Russian government. Were talking about a government. Were not talking about a privately owned business. If Venezuela wanted to come here.
CARLSON: Even so, can we be real for a second? Right, because Venezuela is controlled by a lunatic, of course, Hugo Chavez.
However, there is a difference between Great Britain and the UAE.
There just is.
CARLSON: The population of Great Britain does not generally want to commit violence against Americans. The population of the UAE, according to the most recent poll I saw by Zogby, a reputable poll, 70-something percent despise the United States. There is a difference between the countries. Are we not allowed to say that now?
ROS-LEHTINEN: And we should be allowed to say it. And Ive gotten the independent Congressional Research Service to do an analysis of Dubai just last week when this started to become known.
And this is not a partisan organization. They dontits got a part of the State Department or the anti-State Department. And you should read their report about when it comes to their tie-ins to the Dr. A.Q. Khan nuclear armament of Pakistan.
ROS-LEHTINEN: And their involvement in human trafficking. This isthis a government thats an, but in the Middle East, an ally is sort of in quotes. Its kind of squishy there.
CARLSON: I agree with that. And I hope that we will get a chance to read that report. Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Thanks, Tucker.
CARLSON: Thanks a lot for joining us there from Miami.
Congresswoman, thank you very much.
ROS-LEHTINEN: Hey, and by the way, my kid goes to Brown. So if youre at the Rhode Island College there, youve got to just cross the street and youll go to Brown. Were working on him.
CARLSON: I may see him out for drinks after this. Thanks.
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